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I'm sure they would argue that you weren't supposed to reveal that you were under an NSL, and that your inaction did reveal it, so you violated the terms. As the grandparent says, it probably just a cute legal trick that wouldn't impress a judge.
If it gets to the point that a judge is not impressed, at least the public has been warned.
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#262How in the hell are national security letters constitutional? It's mindboggling to me that they haven't reached the Supreme Court. I don't mean to sound like a hippie or patriotic douche, but it seem rather tyrannical that you aren't even allowed to talk about something that happened to you.
If someone knows of any court precedents here, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing & reading about it.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which will work fine until countermail gets an NSL too. Hosting your own, in your physical posession, with mercury-switch or dead-man-switch triggered thermite self-destruct is really the only option left.
And, snail mail.
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#264So we've hear stories of the big companies being targeted. Now a smaller company has been included. How small will this go for monitoring? Should we assume that any browser plugins are potential trojan horses for desktop targeting?
Why stop there? You can probably bully the smaller open source programmers who work on various utilities to backdoor their programs.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
This part doesn't matter. Where your cert comes from is irrelevant.
It has implications for certificate pinning (like that used in Chrome) if you can only pin to CAs that operate in a single regulatory domain.
Though, if you are pinning in an app and not just in-browser, you can bundle your internal CA cert in the binary and sidestep the whole mess.
This is what I advise my customers that have security-sensitive stuff do. The PKI can no longer be trusted.
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My family and I have started this process already and expect to be in Central America within the year.
Because the Central American governments so wonderfully respect human rights.
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#267For the unfamiliar: Lavabit was a webmail service, that (claimed to) encrypt emails in such a way that they literally did not have access to the content stored on their own servers. The linked email would lend some credence to those claims. It was originally designed in contrast to gmail scanning your email for targeted advertising, but my imperfect memory says that their system should also have been resilient to "we…
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#268> I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Anyone know what happens if he just says "F it" and writes a massive blog post on what exactly happened or what exactly they said to him?
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Well there we go then, Constitutional Fourth Amendment protections restored. But why do I get the impression that's not actually what we all were really asking for here?
There are multiple overreaches. In this case the government is probably trying to pull a hushmail: getting the service provider to install spying equipment targeted at their users, and then sharing the spy data with the government. 1. The government should not be able to force this kind of spy equipment to be installed. 2. If we had good privacy laws it would be illegal for the company to even willingly share this da…
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#270> I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Anyone know what happens if he just says "F it" and writes a massive blog post on what exactly happened or what exactly they said to him?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveilla...
This guy didn't break the law, just "offended" the gov and his life "is over" in that he has a 7 year jail sentence and financial ruin to look forward to when he gets out.
Bradly Manning offended the gov and broke the law, and is facing over a lifetime in jail after some torture like jail conditions pretrial (and nearly faced execution).
Blogging a NSL would probably get you somewhere in between.