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Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #4

Instead of boycotting, I would advocate for subversion. The Games have been a platform for highlighting social issues before: get on that platform and show that gay and lesbians can be winners too and that other athletes support their plight. At any rate, it's going to be interesting to watch.

Agreed, though it takes a lot of courage because it's still risky, something like this would be the best course of action, IMO: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/02/opinion/ghitis-anti-gay-ru...

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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(Russian here) - Fry is 100% correct in his assessment. I pay a lot of attention to the wickedness of Russian politics, and, quite frankly, LBGTQ are right there at the very edge of Russian political struggle, being one of the very few groups whose very survival demands liberty (others may get by through kowtowing to the political powers, but they don't have that option). They are hated by an overwhelming majority of Russians in the province (same majority that keeps voting Putin into power), because of all the fear, lies and propaganda spread by the state. These Games must be stopped, indeed.

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beijing sometimes romanized as Peking I didn't know that...

Sorry, it is written like that in my language and I didn't realize it's wrong in English; I corrected that

No need to apologise! I learnt something

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #17

> An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Wow, I couldn't disagree more on this point. One of the great things about the Olympics is that it's without politics [er... in this regard]. I don't believe that it's acceptable to say that places with different cultural values make unsuitable hosts. Human rights criticisms were also levelled at London, and even more at Beijing. I…

Fortunately, Nazi Germany didn't arrest Jesse Owens upon arrival to the country. Russia has made it clear that they will not afford the same freedom to gays and lesbians, or more to the point they plan on arresting them immediately upon arrival.

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #17

> An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Wow, I couldn't disagree more on this point. One of the great things about the Olympics is that it's without politics [er... in this regard]. I don't believe that it's acceptable to say that places with different cultural values make unsuitable hosts. Human rights criticisms were also levelled at London, and even more at Beijing. I…

..and that's why Fry mentions that:

"The idea that sport and politics don’t connect is worse than disingenuous, worse than stupid. It is wickedly, wilfully wrong. Everyone knows politics interconnects with everything for “politics” is simply the Greek for “to do with the people”.

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #25
post #17

> An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Wow, I couldn't disagree more on this point. One of the great things about the Olympics is that it's without politics [er... in this regard]. I don't believe that it's acceptable to say that places with different cultural values make unsuitable hosts. Human rights criticisms were also levelled at London, and even more at Beijing. I…

Fortunately, Nazi Germany didn't arrest Jesse Owens upon arrival to the country. Russia has made it clear that they will not afford the same freedom to gays and lesbians, or more to the point they plan on arresting them immediately upon arrival.

I thought that they were going to ignore the anti-LGBT laws for the Olympics [0]

[0] http://rt.com/news/russia-olympics-gay-law-948/

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #18

At the risk of sounding insensitive (I'm not), I'd like to make a reminder that Hitler persecuted Jews and homosexuals alike...the Jews were a priority for him, but he had infrastructure dedicated to several groups. More importantly, because this article doesn't really cite much except for Stephen Fry's word, I'd like to here highlight that it's very much factual and well-documented, so as to remove doubt: http://en.…

What part of that comment did you think might sound insensitive - or was that a preemptive worry before you wrote the comment and you ended up not needing it? Either way, didn't feel insensitive at all. Worth noting that Fry is definitely aware of what Hitler did to gays, but what he did to Jews is higher profile, most known and most understood, so making that comparison is the easiest one in a letter like this.

I thought it might be perceived as minimizing the Gay rights issue in Russia when I said it doesn't seem to be the same scale as the Holocaust, to put it more bluntly. But you're right, I guess I didn't need it :)

I agree it's higher profile, but it also makes it more scary than it has to be I think. The issue of Gay rights is strong enough to stand on its own without making it seem as though Russia blames them for its problems.

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beijing sometimes romanized as Peking I didn't know that...

Sorry, it is written like that in my language and I didn't realize it's wrong in English; I corrected that

The only time I've heard it used in English recently is at Chinese restaurants, where the popular dish is still called "Peking Duck".

Beijing is much closer to the Mandarin pronouciation, bei3 jing1, meaning "north capital." (there is also a Nanjing, "south capital.")

Re: Stephen Fry: Putin is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews

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post #25
post #17

> An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Wow, I couldn't disagree more on this point. One of the great things about the Olympics is that it's without politics [er... in this regard]. I don't believe that it's acceptable to say that places with different cultural values make unsuitable hosts. Human rights criticisms were also levelled at London, and even more at Beijing. I…

Fortunately, Nazi Germany didn't arrest Jesse Owens upon arrival to the country. Russia has made it clear that they will not afford the same freedom to gays and lesbians, or more to the point they plan on arresting them immediately upon arrival.

Do you have a source for that? I agree there is not a nice atmosphere (as there wasn't for Owens), but your suggestion that athletes will be arrested on arrival is simply not evident.

Minister Vitaly Mutko... "No one is forbidding an athlete with non-traditional sexual orientation from coming to Sochi, but if he goes onto the street and starts propagandizing it, then of course he will be held accountable"

In any case, arresting athletes is sure to provoke immediate international outrage.

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