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Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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It comes at 500 karma. You'll have to wait a while. And if you mean the article, then you'll never get downvote. There is no downvoting articles. Only flagging.

Oh I thought it was removed completly. I understood that but this 500 points-rule souds like an invitation to karma whoring... I'll return to my silent existence now.

Karma-whoring will be counterproductive if the community doesn't solicit/reward such behaviour. And this attitude of the community has more or less thwarted karma-whoring till now. We'll see how this works out in future.

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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That explains the new accounts with 500+ karma...

Are you threatening me? ;-) Kidding aside, I almost never downvote (power = responsibility)

I haven't seen that formula before

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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witches -> communists -> terrorists -> hackers...

You missed a small intermediate state between terrorists and hackers, "Chinese hackers".

And the one in between witches and communists "anarchists".

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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We live in a world doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. This sounds like an old transcript saying that if you disagree with the government / military you must instantly be a communist. Feels like we are only a step away from public service announcements on how to spot if your child is a terrorist because they spend a lot of time on their computer.

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun" Ecclesiastes 1:9

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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The thing is, Hayden has a point. Geesh, never thought I'd be saying that!

Terrorism is an act of politics, not warfare. It's the use of stealth to deliberately attack civilian targets in order to affect political change. (My working definition only). The goal of terrorism isn't dead people, and you don't weigh a terrorist campaign by how many bodies it creates. Terrorism is all about striking fear into the heart of the population in order to get them to vote or behave differently. That's why the tactic of terrorism is so effective against modern democracies. With the help of mass media, a few crazy people can inflict fear on millions.

So sure, in response to the United States' government implementing draconian surveillance technology, some 20-somethings that live in their parent's basement and have no life (notice how quickly the stereotypes come?) will strike out stealthily in order to inflict fear on the population, to be noticed.

But what he's missing is what military leaders in Iraq and Afghanistan have learned: you don't put out fires by dumping gasoline on them. In other words, the asshole that approved of this idiotic idea to store everything possible and then search later is the last person in the world you want defending it. He's gone off the reservation and somebody should shut him up before he makes things worse.

If the establishment starts circling the wagons on this issue, and it looks like that's what is happening, it's going to drive a wedge between the people and the government. This is not a good thing for them to be doing, terrorist threat or not.

All these political and agency leaders are betting that the next time there's a terrorist attack -- and there will be -- that anybody who supported killing this program will be rounded up and laughed at. I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't bet on it.

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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Can we all please just take a deep breath and stop with the hyperbole. The US government is not planning to commit genocide against gay people or whatever ridiculous premise you're insinuating.

First they came for the terrorists, then they came after the drug dealers... You're right though, it is a ridiculous premise. There's no profit to be made from genocide.

> There's no profit to be made from genocide.

There is from imprisonment.

Re: Cyberscare: Ex-NSA chief calls transparency groups, hackers next terrorists

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post #46

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You missed a small intermediate state between terrorists and hackers, "Chinese hackers".

And the one in between witches and communists "anarchists".

and libertarians
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