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Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by mcav »

All snark aside, I wonder what the rationale was for doing this. It'd be a shame to load a website in a browser 20 years from now, only to see the site render incorrectly due to no-longer-implemented tags. Next, ?

It's tough, obviously, because we can't have cruft build up all over. But this seems like a fairly straightforward case that a browser could shim out in JavaScript by default. Blink is a pretty straightforward piece of internet history. It's not like , which, while also a piece of history, actually carries legitimate complexity/security risks.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by krapp »

jallmann wrote: post #18
krapp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, everything else I can think of is worse for data, tables are pretty good for that (minus the weird vertical centering thing that sometimes happens in cells.) But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag.

> But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag. How come? CSS positioning is pretty unintuitive, and sometimes it's just easier to get something working with tables. If the end results look fine, what's the problem? Table-based layouts aren't in-your-face like the blink tag was. Oh, and don't view-source on HN ;)

My problems are mostly how easy it is to get lost if you're dealing with nested tables within tables (especially inside templates), and that they have to be completely read before rendering... although that may no longer necessarily be an issue with modern browsers.

I find divs and spans easier myself but I guess, yeah, at the end of the day if it looks fine and it loads fine then it's fine. Too much pain from hand-coding too many tables has made me twitchy and curmudgeonly.

Oh, and don't view-source on HN ;)

Oh, i'm aware... It's just too bad html doesn't provide elements that handle nested lists. If only. Ah well.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by panhandlr »

Natsu wrote: post #15
Kequc wrote: post #11

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The people that disable javascript either do it by accident and then stop using the browser or are nerdy enough to figure out how to turn off javascript in the configs. Javascript will also be configurable using plugins.

Yeah, they're trying to remove the settings that people set to goof up their browsers from the look of this. There's this one, too: "Load images automatically" and Always show the tab bar" checkboxes removed from preferences and reset to defaults

Let this day go down in history as the day we declared our independence from the tyrannical Mozilla organization and their corporate-interest driven and oppressive removal of our freedoms and ability to customize our browser. We shall not be stricken down by their restrictive and non-representational releases of firefox... instead we choose to be empowered by the option to disable things such as javascript, and tabbed browsing because we understand these options to be self-evident truths for all browser users.

I am tired of having my freedoms stripped from my browser without any representation into the process. As a user of the browser I was not adequately informed of the upcoming changes nor was I given an opportunity to choose not to upgrade.

THIS MUST END

Contact me for further information, the revolution begins today.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by glesica »

chucklarge wrote: post #17
thejosh wrote: post #8

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How else would you display data?

I'm using SlickGrid[1] in an internal tool. It uses divs and spans to display data, so there are certainly nice examples that do so. 1. https://github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid

But why would you want that? The whole point of moving from to for layout was that using wasn't semantic and was the wrong tool for the job. But is the right tool for displaying tabular data. That's its entire purpose for existing. Using to display tabular data is a regression.

Edit: typo

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by pamelafox »

jallmann wrote: post #18
krapp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, everything else I can think of is worse for data, tables are pretty good for that (minus the weird vertical centering thing that sometimes happens in cells.) But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag.

> But seeing tables being used for layout annoys me far more than the blink tag. How come? CSS positioning is pretty unintuitive, and sometimes it's just easier to get something working with tables. If the end results look fine, what's the problem? Table-based layouts aren't in-your-face like the blink tag was. Oh, and don't view-source on HN ;)

When I rewrote the Coursera discussion forums and sent them through an accessibility audit, I was told to use s instead of s to represent the nested conversations, which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Disqus also uses s for their comments.

So, just FYI, if you find yourself generating HTML for something like HN anytime in your life.

Re: Blink tag removed from Firefox

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Post by mcpherrinm »

mcav wrote: post #21

All snark aside, I wonder what the rationale was for doing this. It'd be a shame to load a website in a browser 20 years from now, only to see the site render incorrectly due to no-longer-implemented tags. Next, ? It's tough, obviously, because we can't have cruft build up all over. But this seems like a fairly straightforward case that a browser could shim out in JavaScript by default. Blink is a pretty straightforw…

Gecko was, afaik, the last major browser engine that supported . Chrome and IE don't, at least. Opera won't, after switching to, ironically enough, the engine called Blink.

So it's not exactly the same as removing : Other browsers already didn't support it.

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