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Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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Is eBay?

eBay is losing its monopoly due to lameness. Also, Froogle is a definite eBay competitor, and Google lists brand new products, too. You used to be able to buy old hardware cheap off eBay, but their stupid fees have ruined buying cheap stuff. Also older eBay stuff seems to break down quite quickly these days.

Surely eBay has a far higher market share of "Online auctions" than google has of "Online search" though. That was my point.

Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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If they are they're certainly being discreet about it. Microsoft was obviously anti-competitive in the 90's. The Windows/IE bundling thing was only a small part of it. All of their software was designed to lock you in. It could sometimes be difficult to use a Microsoft product without having to use others. It can be a hassle to buy a new PC without Windows, but you couldn't do it at all back then. After the OS/2 fias…

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Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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As far as I understand, the legality of a monopoly depends on whether it takes anticompetitive actions. Microsoft wasn't put down just for being big -- it was put down for including Internet Explorer into operating system, thus using an unfair advantage to promote its monopoly.

Once thing I noticed is that adwords tightly integrates with analytics but not much else. Thus, google is using their monopoly in adwords to prop up analytics - an illegal practice at least at the first glance.

Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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And how do we know that Google isn't taking anti-competitive actions?

If we want to accuse Google of taking anti-competitive actions, we have to at least decide what those actions are.

Subsidizing Mozilla to be the default search engine in firefox ?

Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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In my view they are definitely a monopoly (not convinced? try http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/01/what-an-antitrust-case-... ). The question is whether they are abusing the monopoly. Probably not at the moment. However, as the original question is a hypothetical then perhaps we can extend it to "what if Google starting abusing their monopoly - what should we do?".

Statements like this just feel wrong to me. Shouldn't there be some difference between being a monopoly and simply being successful?

Google isn't doing anything to stop you from building a competing search engine, and people try every so often (Cuil, Wolfram Alpha, etc.)

Also, Adwords are sold at auction, so doesn't the market set the price? The only sketchy thing I've seen with Adwords is that you're able to purchase someone else's trademark as an Adword.

Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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Interesting discussion, thanks for all your input.

But let me put a spin on it:

Should we in some way help Google (and others) to ensure the internet doesnt 'go down'? (perhaps oversimplifying)

This is assuming (I think correctly) that the internet is crucial in todays economy and that if Google (or other) goes down it will have strateguc economic impact.

For example, having special international oversight group, massive backup/resillience scenarios, etc.

Just a thought.

Re: Ask HN: If Google is a monopoly, should we be doing anything about it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

eBay is losing its monopoly due to lameness. Also, Froogle is a definite eBay competitor, and Google lists brand new products, too. You used to be able to buy old hardware cheap off eBay, but their stupid fees have ruined buying cheap stuff. Also older eBay stuff seems to break down quite quickly these days.

Surely eBay has a far higher market share of "Online auctions" than google has of "Online search" though. That was my point.

It's close enough for both to be similiarly monopolous.
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