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Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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Post by hni »

cgh wrote: post #183
axblount wrote: post #141

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I am vegan and have been for about a year and a half. Animal products are not necessary for a healthy diet. That goes for adults and infants. http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html Crown Shakur did die because he parents didn't supply him with adequate nutrition, but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten what he needed on a vegan diet. Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive…

There's a reason why there are practically no vegan power athletes. I was vegan for nearly ten years and I regret it immensely as I now see how badly it set me back. That said, you're right, with a properly-designed diet you can be healthy and happy. I don't believe you can ever be athletically optimal, however (aside from perhaps pure cardio sports).

Strongest German, vegan: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

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Post by steveklabnik »

cgh wrote: post #220
arsenerei wrote: post #202

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Mac Danzig seems to counter your argument that's it isn't possible. http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Mac-Danzig http://www.mikemahler.com/online-library/articles/mma-traini...

Not really. First, mma isn't a power sport. Second, notice the protein supplementation. Clearly the diet alone isn't cutting it.

Aren't supplements part of your diet? Maybe this is a domain term that operates differently. Many people who aren't vegan that I know take a daily multivitamin, does this demonstrate that their diet alone isn't cutting it either?

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Post by steveklabnik »

axblount wrote: post #182
api wrote: post #169

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If you don't want to go full-vegan, whey protein isn't bad. But you shouldn't rely on any one source exclusively. Full-vegan options include quinoa, beans, lentils, and nuts. But I agree it's hard. You have to eat a lot of these things.

I don't use any protein supplements but I've heard good things about Vega's products http://myvega.com/

+1 to Vega, for sure.

You can also get hemp-based protein as well.

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Post by DanielStraight »

freehunter wrote: post #216
DanielStraight wrote: post #196

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No, putting it on the label is giving the consumer the choice, as well as the ability to follow their food back to its source if they so choose. In a consumer friendly food economy (in other words, the EU, or at least Germany), almost everything is labeled sufficiently to follow it back to the factory or farm that produced it. That, to me, is a very good thing. The idea that the government and corporations should dec…

Sure, I agree with you. The problem is, if "regular" meat does not need to say what type of cow it's from, what antibiotics were used, what the cow was fed, the living conditions at the farm, the location of the farm, etc, then why make lab grown meat have this label? It will only serve to differentiate the lab grown meat. Unless there's some provable difference between meat A and meat B, they should be subject to th…

Labeling needs to be greatly increased as is, so it's hard to say anything about whether a label specifically for lab grown meat would be fair.

You should have access to information about the cow that your beef was cut from. I'm not saying it has to be all listed out in plain English on the package, but there should at least be a code you can look up that tells you who raised the cow, who fed it and who slaughtered it.

Part of the problem is that no provable difference is not the same as proven to have no difference. The number of things with no provable health risks in 1950 that have provable health risks today is large. Go back to 1900 and it's staggering. The change in recommended diet is equally staggering over the last 100 years. Yet somehow, we always think that now we have it figured out and can say with certainty what the best way to eat is and what's safe and what isn't.

So, if it wasn't obvious, I come down on the side of nature. I want my food as un-fucked-around-with as possible. There is zero chance I would buy lab-grown meat, regardless what research shows. At least not for a few decades. I have no problem with people experimenting with lab-grown meat or even selling it. But I have the right to make my own choice on the issue, especially for such a dramatic change in the way the meat is produced.

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Post by steveklabnik »

bluedino wrote: post #176
zevyoura wrote: post #156

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My parents are vegetarian, and I've had a similar experience, except for one product: Beyond Meat. Their chicken is unbelievably realistic; I could tell it apart in a direct taste test, but in the context of something like a burrito, I don't think I could.

Chicken is one of the blandest of the birds. That's why it has to be deep fried, covered in spices and roasted, or marinated/mixed with a bunch of sauce to taste good. Chicken meat simply doesn't have the ability to be enjoyed on it's own like beef. Eggs on the other hand...

So now the goalposts have moved...

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Post by dllthomas »

cgh wrote: post #183
axblount wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am vegan and have been for about a year and a half. Animal products are not necessary for a healthy diet. That goes for adults and infants. http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20070523.html Crown Shakur did die because he parents didn't supply him with adequate nutrition, but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten what he needed on a vegan diet. Plenty of children are raised on a 100% vegan diet and thrive…

There's a reason why there are practically no vegan power athletes. I was vegan for nearly ten years and I regret it immensely as I now see how badly it set me back. That said, you're right, with a properly-designed diet you can be healthy and happy. I don't believe you can ever be athletically optimal, however (aside from perhaps pure cardio sports).

I expect the primary reason there are practically no vegan power athletes is that there are few power athletes and few vegans.

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Post by luminiferous »

ryusage wrote: post #192
wahsd wrote: post #107

Mostly carnivorous guy here; I have started playing around with the use of tofu and mushrooms in stead of meat and have come to the realization that it is actually a lot easier to substitute them for meat. Another, even bigger realization I have come to is that it seems that my addiction, yes, addiction, to meat and meat having to be a minimum requirement for having any interest in a dish, is that it is really a psyc…

> There is a healthy level of meat intake and we far exceed it Why do you think that? I definitely eat a lot of meat, but I've never really seen any reason to think it was an inherently bad thing.

Overconsumption of red meat has been indicted, if inconsistently, for health conditions ranging from cardiovascular disease to diabetes to obesity. I haven't seen any such studies for poultry or seafood though.

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Post by return0 »

api wrote: post #97

I can't wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the "natural" people. On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty. On the other hand, it's GMO. I love seeing True Believers in Movementarianism squirm. I'm equal opportunity here. I like pointing out the philosophical inconsistencies of dogmatic positivism to your typical Reddit /r/a…

Idiot: the guy who looks at the finger and says "fuck the sky"

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Post by pearjuice »

jmagoon wrote: post #218
pearjuice wrote: post #212

He doesn't seem to understand that everything on this planet has its purpose and that of animals is, that it is to be consumed by us. I do not condone the current ways of killing animals en masse but certainly artificial meat isn't the answer either? We are dealing with a lot of unnatural food these days and no matter what the motivations are, it is hurting humanity.

This is the oddest thing I've ever read on this website.

How is it weird that I oppose artificial meat?

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Post by pearjuice »

leoh wrote: post #214
pearjuice wrote: post #212

He doesn't seem to understand that everything on this planet has its purpose and that of animals is, that it is to be consumed by us. I do not condone the current ways of killing animals en masse but certainly artificial meat isn't the answer either? We are dealing with a lot of unnatural food these days and no matter what the motivations are, it is hurting humanity.

You have got to be trolling. You just said that the purpose of animals are to be eaten. Okay, maybe some animals and maybe our society condones meat-eating. But you cannot possibly allow this as absolute reality. Some very productive, peaceful, societies (pre-Modern China) were almost completely vegetarian. Vegatarianism is a possibility. Now, regarding artificial meat. It's weird. But people will not hangs their hab…

I would rather have vegatarianism as an absolute reality than one where artificial meat is the standard. In fact, I will become a vegetarian if the latter applies.
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