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Re: Apple Developer Update

#11

Post by mojuba »

ohwp wrote: post #3
mojuba wrote: post #2

Most of the services still don't work for me. Can't generate certs/profiles, no forums. I get redirected to the maintenance page from most of the links with very few exceptions. Also no response from customer support so far. Based in Ireland, if that matters. No, it's not a browser cache issue and no, I'm not a new subscriber. I seriously don't understand why would a security breach take weeks to fix. Complete re-wri…

Same here. I've got the feeling Apple is very arrogant. They seem to think all developers just love Apple whatever they do. But my trust in Apple is gone. Fortunately this year there will be a lot more to choose from: Android, Windows, Firefox OS, Ubuntu, Sailfish. And even some 'open' phones. I'm seeing a lot of companies stepping away from Apple these days. Too expensive when there are good alternatives. And when y…

It is more often a matter of choice of the next tier in the "supply chain", i.e. my customers' choice, not my own.

I still love Apple's hardware, as well as their design decisions in a broad sense. Everything they do almost never disappoints in terms of novelty and coolness.

The only fundamental question in this context is, is developer lock-in part of what makes Apple Apple? I doubt so.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#12

Post by deveac »

theschnabler wrote: post #6

This is a serious question: Can someone explain, why this takes Apple - who have "unlimited" resources - this long to fix?

Serious answer:

A) Apple may not have "unlimited" resources:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/12/apple-announces-leopard-delay...

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/04/02/apple-scuttlebut...

B) Instead of just getting things up and running ASAP, Apple may be taking the longer, harder road by rebuilding a significant portion of their systems completely, in order to prevent this from happening again. Basically taking the long view:

http://www.cultofmac.com/236547/apple-confirms-that-dev-cent...

That is straight from the horse's mouth.

Do we know exactly why the timeline is what it is? No. But we do know that Apple has stated that they are completely overhauling the systems, and that they do not have unquestionably unlimited resources. Additionally, if it is true that they are pulling engineers from OSX to ship the latest version of iOS on time, then not only do they not have unlimited resources, but even fewer than they would otherwise have without a major code revision about to ship.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#13

Post by sarreph »

cconroy wrote: post #9

Does anybody have an ETA on when Program Enrollment will be back up?

It's currently estimated as '1 Apple', which is a bespoke time unit, roughly equivalent to any amount of time between 1 minute and 45 days.

EDIT

In case anyone is wondering, '2 Apples' is strangely equivalent to an infinite amount of time. It is for this reason that '3 Apples' has never been measured; it may be possible to record it with the new Mac Pro.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#14

Post by theschnabler »

rimantas wrote: post #7
theschnabler wrote: post #6

This is a serious question: Can someone explain, why this takes Apple - who have "unlimited" resources - this long to fix?

Get a copy of "Mythical man month". Btw, where did you get an idea, that Apple has limited resources? What I hear is that they have really small teams.

They have $150 billion in the bank. If that's not "unlimited", what else is?

Re: Apple Developer Update

#16

Post by chicagobob »

theschnabler wrote: post #14
rimantas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a copy of "Mythical man month". Btw, where did you get an idea, that Apple has limited resources? What I hear is that they have really small teams.

They have $150 billion in the bank. If that's not "unlimited", what else is?

sigh Get a copy of the MMM and read it. TL;DR: adding more people to a project won't necessarily help make it go any faster and often will slow it down.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#17

Post by vadivlkumar »

This is purely arrogant! Think of other such popular services they were much more concern about thier FREEMIUM users comparing to paid services like AppStore dev centre.

At least they should disclose why it is taking too long for restoring every services.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#18

Post by alimoeeny »

alimoeeny wrote: post #8

WTF, That's all I can say.

No Honestly, I'd appreciate it if you can shed light on this, imagine it was a smaller company like github, or dropbox, they would have come forward and explained things, CEO or CTO would have posted to their blog, explaining what happend and what the plan was, Apple does not even have a link to that status page from their developer.apple.com page.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#19

Post by ohwp »

mojuba wrote: post #11
ohwp wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I've got the feeling Apple is very arrogant. They seem to think all developers just love Apple whatever they do. But my trust in Apple is gone. Fortunately this year there will be a lot more to choose from: Android, Windows, Firefox OS, Ubuntu, Sailfish. And even some 'open' phones. I'm seeing a lot of companies stepping away from Apple these days. Too expensive when there are good alternatives. And when y…

It is more often a matter of choice of the next tier in the "supply chain", i.e. my customers' choice, not my own. I still love Apple's hardware, as well as their design decisions in a broad sense. Everything they do almost never disappoints in terms of novelty and coolness. The only fundamental question in this context is, is developer lock-in part of what makes Apple Apple? I doubt so.

I don't think there is any developer lock-in. As you are saying it's the customers choice. When customers have more choice they can choose to go for an OS without Apple-control.

Re: Apple Developer Update

#20

Post by dragontamer »

spdy wrote: post #4

Only Apple can get away with something like this. "Hey guys sorry we where down for days but now everything is fine again enjoy" No aftermath report. No details on anything.

Can they really get away with it? Will people actually put up with this kind of treatment?
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