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Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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Does it taste like despair? Seriously though, that's always my first thought when I read a story about something like this. It's like my brain can't help but cringe of the thought of eating something made this way, even if it's irrational.

Why do I think I am the only person who connected your first sentence with Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? An Ameglian Cow?

Still trying to determine why they must replicate it exactly, taste and texture should be sufficient

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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I'm pretty sure they will have to test it by feeding it to animals for a long time before they can even think about selling it to humans.

You gotta love the irony in that approach :)

Yes, but as a consequentialist, I don't really have any choice but to be for it. Even if trying to change the system so that we didn't test on animals were viable, it would take so long that the delay would surely cause more net animal suffering than just doing the animal testing.

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I'm the opposite, I love meat, but hate the animal suffering. Even if it tastes half as good and costs around the same, I will switch.

Maybe, just maybe buying animal-products, where the animals didn't suffer, where they were raised species-appropriate, would help, as it would be a ecological signal as well. If more people would do that, a lot more incentives would be there, to not let animals suffer just for human consumption. Since I switched to only eating animal products, where I know, how the animals lived, I do eat a lot less meat. i do pay a…

> Maybe, just maybe buying animal-products, where the animals didn't suffer, where they were raised species-appropriate, would help, as it would be a ecological signal as well.

This is almost impossible to do unless you have great connections and a lot of time and money to spare. Somewhere around 75% of beef and 99% of turkey and chicken farming is industrial factory farming. Organic and free range mean almost nothing in regards to animal suffering. Props to you for finding one of the few good farms.

If you're concerned about animal suffering not eating meat is the cheap and easy solution at this point. That's why developments like this actually make me excited.

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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I'm the opposite, I love meat, but hate the animal suffering. Even if it tastes half as good and costs around the same, I will switch.

As someone who eats an entirely plant-based diet, it sounds like a terrible idea. If it tastes half as good as actual meat, then it will be much worse than even the cheapest, overprocessed soy protein 'burgers' in the frozen food section of the grocery store. Seriously.

Bull. Shit. My wife is a vegetarian. I've tried probably 8-10 different brands of vegie burgers and chicken nuggets. They don't taste even remotely like meat.

Some do taste alright, I admit.

Another problem is price. You would think soy products would be cheaper than meat. Nope. So freaking expensive.

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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I've been following this topic for a while, and the interesting thing is that synthetic beef still has to be "fed". What its fed is stem cells and cow fetal materials. So its not "vegan" per-se. One of the synthetic meat companies switched to leather products as they found out no one wants to eat bio-engineered lab grown steak (also it didn't taste very good)

You may be right in this case (I couldn't find their methodology online yet), but it's just a MVP. They could easily make it without touching a cow beyond the initial cell sample. It's possible to feed the cells a synthetic culture medium, or something that doesn't come from the cow. I don't know what was done in this case. We also don't need to continually re-harvest stem cells from the cow. Depending on when they d…

The potential reduction of animal exploitation is so great that this vegan hardly cares how it comes into being. But I wouldn't eat it myself.

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> "Cows are very inefficient, they require 100g of vegetable protein to produce only 15g of edible animal protein," Dr Post told the Guardian before the event. "So we need to feed the cows a lot so that we can feed ourselves. We lose a lot of food that way. Yes, if most of what you feed the cows are human-edible.

Even if its not, you can still use the resources used to produce that feed to produce human food instead. And feeding cows waste has its own environmental problems, as it tends to play hob with their digestive systems and make them release considerably more greenhouse gasses.

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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I can't wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the "natural" people. On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty. On the other hand, it's GMO. I love seeing True Believers in Movementarianism squirm. I'm equal opportunity here. I like pointing out the philosophical inconsistencies of dogmatic positivism to your typical Reddit /r/a…

Your eagerness for schadenfreude seems poorly thought out, since this is not GMO, it's cell cloning.

Maybe people will object because lab-grown meat is 'gross'. Maybe they will object because it removes such substantial barriers to GMO (the introduced traits don't have to result in a viable individual). Hopefully you'll get achieve some gratification for being an iconoclast when they bring up those objections, though.

PSA: no need to spend the second half you post explaining your contrarianism, it was implicit from the first half.

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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post #97

I can't wait to see the cognitive dissonance from the "natural" people. On one hand, it could quite possibly replace factory farming and eliminate a huge amount of waste, pollution, and animal cruelty. On the other hand, it's GMO. I love seeing True Believers in Movementarianism squirm. I'm equal opportunity here. I like pointing out the philosophical inconsistencies of dogmatic positivism to your typical Reddit /r/a…

Why are you assuming that meat consumption is necessary?

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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post #124
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who eats an entirely plant-based diet, it sounds like a terrible idea. If it tastes half as good as actual meat, then it will be much worse than even the cheapest, overprocessed soy protein 'burgers' in the frozen food section of the grocery store. Seriously.

Bull. Shit. My wife is a vegetarian. I've tried probably 8-10 different brands of vegie burgers and chicken nuggets. They don't taste even remotely like meat. Some do taste alright, I admit. Another problem is price. You would think soy products would be cheaper than meat. Nope. So freaking expensive.

> You would think soy products would be cheaper than meat.

Why would I think that highly processed products of the isolation and retexturing and reflavoring of soy products would be less expensive than meat, which is usually pretty minimally processed? The raw materials cost of the soy product might be lower (depending on what else is added for flavor and texture, even that might not be true), but you can't really ignore the processing cost.

Re: Sergey Brin invests in synthetic beef

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I like the idea of being able to be a carnivore without being a killer.

However, there is a trap in this. Right now, there are cows and pigs wherever there are humans.

Fast forward 200 years when we can grow our own meat in the lab. Who's going to keep around livestock? For what reason?

Pigs and cows would exist in a wild state in a small fraction of their former "territory." If at all.

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