“Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products” • Hacker News Board

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by nikcub » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:03 AM UTC

Google are terrible at developer support, but I think it is fair to say that they didn't foresee anybody using the Tasks API in this way, where you are proxying for all your users.

Keep persisting, but as a temporary measure I would prompt your users to provide you with their own API key. Lots of apps do this (such as CMS plugins). You can give them a link to the API portal and explain in 2-3 points how to generate a key and paste it back in your app.

Also, your app is in debug mode, so errors are showing a complete stack trace. Your database is also down right now.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by anuaitt » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:03 AM UTC

giis wrote: post #20

anuaitt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is difficult to charge money from India as Individuals, paypal does not accept money for India nowadays and it is near to impossible to attach a international payment gateway. I thought of donation as well but again paypal issue.

If I'm not wrong, adding details like your PAN and bank account etc should allow you to use pay-pal from india.

I already did that but paypal is not letting the transfers.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by bryanh » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:04 AM UTC

anuaitt wrote: post #11

TwoBit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the current quota? Where is it documented?

Current quota is 1m requests/day and that is enough to handle just 2000 users/day, because I sync gmail tasks every minute.

I know it sucks, but in the meantime have you considered slowing those sync tasks down if the user's "last activity" timestamp is older than a few minutes? You might even be able to make it sync faster for active users with the extra overhead afforded there.

Logins, refreshes, clicks, new things synced, etc... can all update the last activity timestamp.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by anuaitt » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:04 AM UTC

VMG wrote: post #17

anuaitt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is difficult to charge money from India as Individuals, paypal does not accept money for India nowadays and it is near to impossible to attach a international payment gateway. I thought of donation as well but again paypal issue.

You should check out Bitcoin as a payment option, it was pretty much designed for your use case: http://www.weusecoins.com/en/ BitPay as a payment processor in particular: https://bitpay.com/

Thanks for the information VMG.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by fharper1961 » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:07 AM UTC

anuaitt wrote: post #11

TwoBit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the current quota? Where is it documented?

Current quota is 1m requests/day and that is enough to handle just 2000 users/day, because I sync gmail tasks every minute.

Is it possible to pay Google and receive a higher quota?

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by wfunction » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:08 AM UTC

VMG wrote: post #17

anuaitt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is difficult to charge money from India as Individuals, paypal does not accept money for India nowadays and it is near to impossible to attach a international payment gateway. I thought of donation as well but again paypal issue.

You should check out Bitcoin as a payment option, it was pretty much designed for your use case: http://www.weusecoins.com/en/ BitPay as a payment processor in particular: https://bitpay.com/

How are users supposed to get bitcoin? It's way too difficult right now compared to cash.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by anuaitt » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:11 AM UTC

nikcub wrote: post #21

Google are terrible at developer support, but I think it is fair to say that they didn't foresee anybody using the Tasks API in this way, where you are proxying for all your users. Keep persisting, but as a temporary measure I would prompt your users to provide you with their own API key. Lots of apps do this (such as CMS plugins). You can give them a link to the API portal and explain in 2-3 points how to generate a…

It is up again. Thanks for letting me know, It was due to the High load.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by yareally » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:14 AM UTC

utopkara wrote: post #10

ew wrote: post #2

We also receive very little love from Google. They are notorious for not helping developers, which is tragic.

Google does give a lot of love to developers. AFAIK, they have dedicated developer teams for developer relations; just look at the quality of their API documentations and support. This one looks like a operations issue. Perhaps they do not have a corresponding relations team focused on operations support.

I know they have one group dedicated to the Android Source and they constantly answer questions related to development on their Google Group and elsewhere (like twitter). AOSP related stuff mostly comes off as good will towards the community as it's mostly those of us modding the source for ourselves and others in the community that are asking the questions.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by robryan » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:14 AM UTC

mikeknoop wrote: post #15

I put in an API quota bump for Google Calendar a few months back and it was silently accepted after 2-3 days. Based on my experience, each team individually deals with quotas for their API. Google Tasks is not really a dedicated product so it probably has little to no permanent team behind it. This is probably the cause for the slow response time on quota requests.

Yeah, we requested an API limit increase for Adwords. When we got an email about some specifics and how we stayed within their terms I figured it might just get rejected.

Thankfully it was a real person who actually knew what they were talking about and were able to sort it out over a chain of emails.

So yeah, I guess it is team by team.

Re: “Please let me know if I should stop developing apps for Google Products”

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Post by frenger » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 9:15 AM UTC

utopkara wrote: post #10

ew wrote: post #2

We also receive very little love from Google. They are notorious for not helping developers, which is tragic.

Google does give a lot of love to developers. AFAIK, they have dedicated developer teams for developer relations; just look at the quality of their API documentations and support. This one looks like a operations issue. Perhaps they do not have a corresponding relations team focused on operations support.

> look at the quality of their API documentations twitch maybe it's a personality clash, but I can't stand Google's documentation style, it's not well explained or laid out.