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Re: The White Hat's Dilemma

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Post by tluyben2 » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 8:06 AM UTC

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #91

tluyben2 wrote: post #59

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I know/hope you are kidding, but I still feel the need to respond. That whatever is legal or not can still go against your own feel of right or wrong. Who cares if something is legal somewhere and you don't agree with it. There are probably many examples of things legal in countries you visit which your moral compass would prevent you from taking part in. My personal annoyance being bullfighting in Spain (where I liv…

I was going to add the tag, but settled on the wink emoticon. I did think it might be too subtle. Sadly, it's only subtle because there are crazies around here and in the government who actually use that as an argument.

Yeah, I know people who use that as argument; that's why I responded.

Re: The White Hat's Dilemma

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Post by freewizard » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 8:59 AM UTC

throwaway3902 wrote: post #8

I used to work for Blizzard. The Chinese government requested that we modify the WoW client so that they could intercept all chat. As far as I know, no-one said anything, including me - and Blizzard, of course, was more than happy to comply, given the size of the market and the risk of being forbidden to do business there. There were plenty of other MMOGs happy to play ball and eat that cake. I didn't say anything. I…

Don't feel too bad about what you did to Chinese people. At least game chat is far less a privacy concern for me, compared to forum, email or instant message which have been fully censored in China already.

But you might want to feel sorry about your government who clearly "improved" a lot in the last few years after it learned Yahoo's leak person email to Chinese government.

Re: The White Hat's Dilemma

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Post by neilk » Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 3:18 PM UTC

secalex wrote: post #23

neilk wrote: post #19

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What class did you get?

I don't remember what I got the first couple of times I answered honestly. I do remember manipulating the system to become a Paladin, which perhaps negates the entire point of the morality system and makes me a rogue in real life.

Yeah, I did the same thing. I wanted to be a Ranger, because Aragorn in Lord of the Rings is one, so I manipulated my answers. Plus it's in the center of the graph, so I thought that had to be better.

But, I do recall I would get Mage (Honesty) if I did it, er... honestly. Today I get Bard (Compassion). I guess people really do change over the course of their life.

Re: The White Hat's Dilemma

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Post by mr_spothawk » Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 7:36 AM UTC

elbear wrote: post #101

mr_spothawk wrote: post #35

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Fuck it, I'll go ahead and say it: First, thanks for coming clean. You're a human being who's made a really bad decision. You should feel terrible for this. "They" are not merely your possible friends, or your relative's relatives, or your neighbors' cousins... "They" are other human beings who might someday decide to stand up for their human rights. "They" are millions of people you sold out for easy "dinner" & "ren…

I consider your comment very unproductive. You basically berated someone who already came out and said they were sorry for what they did. He realizes his mistake and repents. The fact that you want to make him feel even more guilty doesn't help at all and I find it very sad.

You stole something from me (freedom, in this case). Coming to me and admitting it does not absolve you from guilt. You should feel guilty for a long time.

I am not wrong to castigate this type of behavior. I personally feel this sort of behavior should result in jail time, but can acknowledge that's not going to happen.

I also want everybody who reads this thread to understand how completely awful this sort of behavior is.

That you are here talking about defending Throwaway123's honor instead of being filled with rage at his behavior is an indication that our society has a long way to go before we deserve privacy again.

Re: The White Hat's Dilemma

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Post by monotrophic » Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 11:25 PM UTC

throwaway3902 wrote: post #8

I used to work for Blizzard. The Chinese government requested that we modify the WoW client so that they could intercept all chat. As far as I know, no-one said anything, including me - and Blizzard, of course, was more than happy to comply, given the size of the market and the risk of being forbidden to do business there. There were plenty of other MMOGs happy to play ball and eat that cake. I didn't say anything. I…

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