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Open letter to Sal Khan

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Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #4

From a comment: >I don’t want to fix KA. I don’t think it is possible to do so given Sal Khan. Sal Khan should not be the voice on his videos. He should not be the person putting together the actual content of his videos. And, I suspect, he should not be making any important decisions about either content or delivery of instruction, from the pedagogical side of the operation. I’m sure he’s a competent business/financ…

I find that pretty infuriating.

I'm reminded now of some years ago when I was in differential equations class and had trouble understanding my professor (his handwriting was terrible and incomprehensible, and his lesson structure very hard to follow). Khan's videos were an absolute blessing to me then.

In regards to the criticisms: as valid as they may be, don't assert that his offerings are not good -- it's better that they exist vs. not existing. We're at a more evolved state now with having had Khan's videos: now a new player can emerge who can produce better videos with the knowledge of what Khan's mistakes were.

I think it's actually a little bit irresponsible criticizing Khan's video like this in a public and confrontational way: it adds to the hysteria, now you'll have parents actively avoiding Khan's videos because of concerns of their pedagogical techniques. And that's not good: have you opened a standard calculus book these days? It's very hard to follow, don't these folks have some criticism for those (and their high prices, which often make it unaffordable for a lot of folks)? Video form of learning is still rather new, and Khan is a pioneer of it. Give it some more time to find its optimum form.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #4

From a comment: >I don’t want to fix KA. I don’t think it is possible to do so given Sal Khan. Sal Khan should not be the voice on his videos. He should not be the person putting together the actual content of his videos. And, I suspect, he should not be making any important decisions about either content or delivery of instruction, from the pedagogical side of the operation. I’m sure he’s a competent business/financ…

I used to teach English as a foreign language for a little while. My students were kids 10-13 years old. The most difficult task was to teach them things they were previously taught incorrectly. For example, I was struggling the whole semester to convince them "pizza" is pronounced "peetsə" although there is no visible "t" in it. The reason: Their last teacher told them it was pronounced "peeza". No matter how much I tried, they always went back to their pronunciation and thought I was an idiot.

As people working in tech, we are familiar with the concept of unlearning. Sometimes to make things right, we have to unlearn what we have learned and start from scratch. Unlearning is something that comes with experience. It's very hard for children to unlearn. You have to be careful what you say to them, because they're going to believe it for a long time.

I think what the OP is worried about is if these videos are someone's first introduction to math, they will struggle in this subject for foreseeable future.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Someone should read how to disagree ( http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). He is criticizing something that Sal probably got wrong. Sal could probably do a better job of using findings in educational research to make his videos and exercises better. But the author seems to be implying that KhanAcademy as a whole is of poor quality. I think he's using a DH5 to argue something that requires a DH6. I think Sal doe…

OP seems to be hovering around DH5/DH6. I don't see the problem.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

#24
post #7

It is hard to get the details right with math. First there is the basic factual level (not saying anything wrong), then there is a language level (will an 6th grader understand this? an 8th grader? a 10th grader?). Finally, and this is the hardest part, presenting the material in the most pedagogical way. Posting an open letter is a bit of a sensationalist move, but this way it will be sure to gather enough attention…

> Perhaps there should be a content-improvement suggestion box for this kind of things. With more teachers starting to use the khan videos and exercises, I am sure bugs will be found, but let's treat them as such.

We've been working on something just like this – keep your eyes peeled.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Someone should read how to disagree ( http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). He is criticizing something that Sal probably got wrong. Sal could probably do a better job of using findings in educational research to make his videos and exercises better. But the author seems to be implying that KhanAcademy as a whole is of poor quality. I think he's using a DH5 to argue something that requires a DH6. I think Sal doe…

I think the criticism would be valid as long as Khan's videos were damaging education... but they are improving people's understanding of math.

Khanacademy is being optimized for effective learning. But that takes effort, and it might never be perfect.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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This article is a partisan attempt to discredit Sal's great work. Pick one example where the content has a flaw and use it to claim that all of his content is therefore "useless". I don't know the author's motives. Is it an altruistic care about the children or a personal motive to protect his career and to defend the methods he uses to teach versus a new potential disruptive threat.

I'm really excited to see how the experiment in Africa of giving out thousands of tablets letting children self learn with limited teaching from a traditional teacher. Because of the number of students to teachers they are acting more as tutors in the case the children are stuck and can't figure it out with help from their peers.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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This is the exact same kind of shit that got thrown at every person ever who successfully challenged a rusty status quo, especially when job security was at risk. Quoting the original piece in Washington Post:

We have great respect for the stated goal of Khan Academy — “A free, world-class education for anyone, anywhere.” Yet, we have some serious concerns about the quality of the instruction providing this education. Indeed, if either of us were supervising Khan’s instruction, we would point to some concrete and important gaps in his practice.

The key is "if we were supervising". That's the real problem. That someone is making something huge happen, and they are not playing a role in it. Guess what - nobody is stopping this guy or anyone else from producing a few hundred of educational videos with great content and making it available for free. However, some way or another, the people who are capable of a stunt like that are much fewer than those who can hate things on the Internet.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #19
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a valid criticism. His videos are boring, but they're still some of the clearest instruction I've found, especially on math. I just have trouble staying awake through them.

No. It is opinion at best. _You_ think his videos are boring; I find them engaging but not precise enough.

Strangely enough, opinion works as criticism. We're all just stating opinions here, including you. Get over yourself.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Dear Open letter writer,

I am a parent of a 10 year old who likes Maths; my choices in fostering and encouraging this trait were to (A) enroll her in a really expense private school, (b) enroll ins Kumon (its a canadian after school private tutoring type of service) (c) private tutors -- which I can't afford. Please note that her teachers have shown no inclination to help advance her learning beyond the curriculum.

Sal and KhanAcademy make it easy for me to help her with learning above her grade level. I do the lessons with her -- last week we were working on advanced probability problems and the lectures were invaluable to me as well as my child. Sal and KA augment my capability and help me become an effective tutor to my child. Regards

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

#30
post #10

The dramatic tone of this article seems disproportionate to its complaint. I can't help but feel that the author has a grudge against Sal Khan which motivates his writing as much as his disapproval of Khan's teaching strategy.

The problem with the article is about 50% due to its tone ("from hell's heart I stab at thee!!!") and 50% due to its lack of the very obvious, constructive criticism. By that I mean if the guy had simply laid out his case, pointed out that this wasn't a new observation, and then suggested KA set up better feedback mechanisms for responding to this sort of thing his criticism would have been just right.

Based on the criticisms from a year ago, the author seems to have a very strong negative view of what KA is doing, but he doesn't appear to be making videos of his own and putting them on Youtube. Not even to illustrate a correct treatment of the topics which he believes Khan is handling badly. Useless negativity.

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