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Open letter to Sal Khan

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Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Someone should read how to disagree ( http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). He is criticizing something that Sal probably got wrong. Sal could probably do a better job of using findings in educational research to make his videos and exercises better. But the author seems to be implying that KhanAcademy as a whole is of poor quality. I think he's using a DH5 to argue something that requires a DH6. I think Sal doe…

Thanks for that link to "how to disagree" - one I hadn't read.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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From OP's comment-- "While perhaps “useless” is too strong a claim, I stand by the need for a strong claim here. Khan Academy offers nothing beyond place naming in its decimal videos. That is unacceptable for a primary instructional resource, and I cannot imagine how it could be helpful as a supplementary resource for a student struggling with decimal concepts."

I'm confused. I have never been under the impression that KA was replacing the educational system, but rather, to supplement it and help those that may not understand principles in a different ways, and more broadly, affect some change in an industry that needs it. The tone of the letter kinda sucks, and while its a criticism I can't help but point out that this service is free and has empowered so many-- is the intent to be a one stop shop for everyone to learn? Sure that would be sweet, but come on. All I get from the post is -- 'hey sal, can you create an open dialog to discuss the most effective ways to teach'. What a strange way to do it.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #4

From a comment: >I don’t want to fix KA. I don’t think it is possible to do so given Sal Khan. Sal Khan should not be the voice on his videos. He should not be the person putting together the actual content of his videos. And, I suspect, he should not be making any important decisions about either content or delivery of instruction, from the pedagogical side of the operation. I’m sure he’s a competent business/financ…

It's a valid criticism. His videos are boring, but they're still some of the clearest instruction I've found, especially on math. I just have trouble staying awake through them.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #12

Someone should read how to disagree ( http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). He is criticizing something that Sal probably got wrong. Sal could probably do a better job of using findings in educational research to make his videos and exercises better. But the author seems to be implying that KhanAcademy as a whole is of poor quality. I think he's using a DH5 to argue something that requires a DH6. I think Sal doe…

Thanks for that link to "how to disagree" - one I hadn't read.

Yeah, no problem! It's one of my favorites.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

#16

Someone should read how to disagree ( http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html ). He is criticizing something that Sal probably got wrong. Sal could probably do a better job of using findings in educational research to make his videos and exercises better. But the author seems to be implying that KhanAcademy as a whole is of poor quality. I think he's using a DH5 to argue something that requires a DH6. I think Sal doe…

As Khan Academy makes lessons for younger students, I believe the argumentation will get more passionate like this article. Students increasingly learn to teach themselves as they get older, so I believe the media will let Khan "get away" with more perceived "flaws" in his Algebra and Calculus lessons than on something for younger children.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Hi, Ben from Khan Academy here. I just woke up and don't have time for a full response right now but here are a few quick words.

Most of our math content creation work these days is driven by our push to cover the new Common Core math standards, which have recently been adopted by 45 states. We're following these standards not only because of their recent popularity but because they are among the best standards we've seen, primarily because of their focus on conceptual understanding. In the last few months, we’ve hired many experienced content creators to work with us on covering all of the the Common Core standards accurately. So far, they’ve created thousands of new handwritten questions that focus more on conceptual understanding to complement the machine-generated exercises we already have.

https://www.khanacademy.org/about/our-content-specialists

All of these questions are going into new exercises, and we're also updating existing exercises when it makes sense. Our new exercises are much more interesting than our old ones; here's one example of an exercise by one of our content creators who joined us full-time this week:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/trigonometry/functions_and_...

The blog post discusses a few ways in which our decimals content can be improved, all of which are reasonable. Our recent push to improve our math content hasn't yet touched the decimals exercises but it will soon, and we've made a note to make sure that these specific criticisms are addressed, as well as anything else we find.

Most of our content creators have direct teaching experience and we also have multiple people review each new exercise before it's posted, to make sure that it's correct and that it tries to teach students well. In addition to the teachers' own experience, the Common Core progression documents (written by the authors of the standards) have been invaluable. Here's the progression document for the number system for grades K–5:

http://commoncoretools.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ccss_pr...

You can see that on pages 8 and 12 they specifically discuss area models for understanding place value. We already show place values with area for integers; we'll add it to our decimals content soon.

We're making improvements like these on a daily basis, and we're always interested in finding ways to make this process better.

Edit:

One last thing I forgot to mention is our videos. With each new exercise, we're making complementary videos that explain the exact concepts the exercise covers, so our videos are also aligned to the Common Core standards and progressions (albeit indirectly). Even so, our greatest efforts have been spent in improving our exercises because the schools that we work with currently are more invested in our exercises than our videos, and we're looking to help them as much as we can.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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From OP's comment-- "While perhaps “useless” is too strong a claim, I stand by the need for a strong claim here. Khan Academy offers nothing beyond place naming in its decimal videos. That is unacceptable for a primary instructional resource, and I cannot imagine how it could be helpful as a supplementary resource for a student struggling with decimal concepts." I'm confused. I have never been under the impression th…

he probably feels threatened

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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post #14
post #4

From a comment: >I don’t want to fix KA. I don’t think it is possible to do so given Sal Khan. Sal Khan should not be the voice on his videos. He should not be the person putting together the actual content of his videos. And, I suspect, he should not be making any important decisions about either content or delivery of instruction, from the pedagogical side of the operation. I’m sure he’s a competent business/financ…

It's a valid criticism. His videos are boring, but they're still some of the clearest instruction I've found, especially on math. I just have trouble staying awake through them.

No. It is opinion at best. _You_ think his videos are boring; I find them engaging but not precise enough.

Re: Open letter to Sal Khan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a valid criticism. His videos are boring, but they're still some of the clearest instruction I've found, especially on math. I just have trouble staying awake through them.

No. It is opinion at best. _You_ think his videos are boring; I find them engaging but not precise enough.

Yes. This is what we're doing here. Sharing our opinions. We rarely have the benefit of solid fact when criticizing things.
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