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Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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Mistake #1: Pricing it over $600 unlocked. I know they feel very strongly about the 128 GB of storage, but if doing that meant pricing it over what seemed like the sweet spot of $600, then it was killer mistake. Mistake #2: Not making it dead clear that they can return your money if for whatever reason the phone doesn't get built or you don't like it. This is not typical of such crowdfunding campaigns, and everyone a…

Imo the mistake is exactly the price. If it were $600 unlimited they would probably quite easily meet their target. Besides what's the point of $775, $780 and $790? Are they trying to everyone "hurry" and order $5 cheaper? The pricing seems really odd, like they didn't want to meet the goal.

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

#52
post #35

Lets see I can buy an Android phone for $300 that runs an operating system that is state of the art and one of the world's largest tech giants is currently spending a billion dollars developing. Or I can buy a $800 phone for neckbeards that runs Ubuntu, an operating system that hasn't made headway in approximately a decade.

what's a neckbeard? i imagine you sporting a magnificent handlebar mustache as a result of this remark.

anyways:

i'd phrase it as "i can buy an $800 computer that doubles as a phone." ever since smartphones appeared, having a really portable computer has been more appealing to me than having a phone that is a computer. indeed, i continue to use a dumbphone, a cheapo mp3 player, and sometimes (gasp!) pen & paper to duplicate all the functionality i ever really used my smartphone for. of course, phrased that way, it might make more sense to shapeways-up a really stylish case for a raspberry pi than buy a $800 phone, but the point is that i don't really agree with the way that you've framed the decision to begin with.

but even phrased that way, i /still/ disagree, because android strikes me as more of art of the state than state of the art: i think the vm (dalvik, i think?) is wedged in at way too low a level. large parts of the window system and other core components are written in java rather than C, which, coming from GNU-land (clean-shaven, thank you) strikes me as rather strange.

i mean, i like intents, content providers, and all these other high-level parts of the system design, i just wish more of the implementation were in C so that it would be more portable. i'd like to be able to bind whatever language i choose to the code that's flinging surfaces, at least, even if not to the window toolkit. although there is this scripting layer, which might be a good start, but i haven't used it as it advertises itself as "alpha quality."

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

#54
post #35

Lets see I can buy an Android phone for $300 that runs an operating system that is state of the art and one of the world's largest tech giants is currently spending a billion dollars developing. Or I can buy a $800 phone for neckbeards that runs Ubuntu, an operating system that hasn't made headway in approximately a decade.

Lets see, you can use an OS that a single company has spent a billion dollars in order to control it, or you could use a real operating system that tens of companies(like IBM) had spent tens of billions of dollars developing. The fact that you need to insult to get your point is not good man.

Wait, so you honestly believe canonical is doing this out of the goodness of their heart, and doesn't want to control it?

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

#55
post #9

Mistake #1: Pricing it over $600 unlocked. I know they feel very strongly about the 128 GB of storage, but if doing that meant pricing it over what seemed like the sweet spot of $600, then it was killer mistake. Mistake #2: Not making it dead clear that they can return your money if for whatever reason the phone doesn't get built or you don't like it. This is not typical of such crowdfunding campaigns, and everyone a…

The iPhone is priced at over 600usd unlocked. From 720usd in Hong Kong, which match US pricing very closely ( can't find it on apple's us store unlocked)

I don't think it's naive to price a high end phone above what is essentially the most mainstream phone available. Which they didn't considering theirs have 128gb memory.

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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In my mind, they failed to miss their crowdfunding target because of a poorly coordinated campaign.

1) lack of tiers - t shirts came way too late. They should have added phone docks and exclusive first preview to their convergence.

2) pricing - the sweet spot for the pricing was about 650. they priced the product way too high

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets see, you can use an OS that a single company has spent a billion dollars in order to control it, or you could use a real operating system that tens of companies(like IBM) had spent tens of billions of dollars developing. The fact that you need to insult to get your point is not good man.

Wait, so you honestly believe canonical is doing this out of the goodness of their heart, and doesn't want to control it?

Yes. Of course. Why else would Canonical have used the GPL for the software they'd developed? Why else would they release their OS for free? Profits have clearly never been their overriding reason for existence and they look very much like a social enterprise to me.

See, this is why I hate cynicism: it's intellectually lazy. It doesn't bother looking at the actual detail of any particular case, just hand-waves away details with a suggestion of naivety for even considering them.

Give me a solid reason why Canonical should not be considered as a social enterprise?

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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In my mind, they failed to miss their crowdfunding target because of a poorly coordinated campaign. 1) lack of tiers - t shirts came way too late. They should have added phone docks and exclusive first preview to their convergence. 2) pricing - the sweet spot for the pricing was about 650. they priced the product way too high

the sweet spot for the pricing was about 650. they priced the product way too high

Price versus demand is not the only constraint here.

It is an incredibly ambitious piece of hardware, so obviously more expensive to produce than say the iphone 5. The iPhone 5 costs $849 for the 64GB model. That's half the memory, and more expensive than the Ubuntu edge even at these higher price tiers. Unfortunately most people will probably compare the subsidised price from a carrier instead, or cheaper hardware.

Just because they could sell more doesn't mean it would initially be cheaper for them - there might be constraints imposed by their choice of supplier, who can only handle a certain volume of a new experimental device for the deadline. There are a lot of setup costs involved, and the greater the volume they sell, the greater the risk - many kickstarter projects have run into this issue - what is easy to do for a run of 10,000 just won't work for a run of 1,000,000, and if they had problems in their first batch, it could lead to serious damage to their brand if they have a huge userbase angry and waiting for hardware. So plenty of reasons for wanting to constrain supply.

So from Ubuntu's point of view, perhaps keeping the production run small was a requirement - that would explain the higher price tiers, because that imposes a higher average cost on them per device. They're probably making a loss on a $600 sale given this is a new device and the specs. Without knowing the demand curve in advance it must be quite hard to judge, but if nothing else I guess this campaign will give them a very good idea of the demand curve for a phone like this, so they will at least get that out of it if it fails.

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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I don't know why anyone would want to use an Ubuntu smartphone, excluding the obvious free software implications. It's guaranteed to be worse than virtually everything else on the market. And why would Canonical even want to get into this business. You're competing against Apple, Google, Microsoft and Blackberry. They cannot win.

Re: Ubuntu Edge will miss $32M crowdfunding target

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you honestly believe canonical is doing this out of the goodness of their heart, and doesn't want to control it?

Yes. Of course. Why else would Canonical have used the GPL for the software they'd developed? Why else would they release their OS for free? Profits have clearly never been their overriding reason for existence and they look very much like a social enterprise to me. See, this is why I hate cynicism: it's intellectually lazy. It doesn't bother looking at the actual detail of any particular case, just hand-waves away d…

The Amazon advertising fiasco? The commercial "Ubuntu Software Center"? The lack of upstream patches for many years? Debian maintainers and Red Hat wouldn't even thinking of pulling off that kind of junk. It's not about deeply analysing every possible motivation for every single thing involving them -- Canonical simply shows an attitude of taking from the open source community and not giving back.
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