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Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#261
In my experience procrastination is a behavior caused by the reinforcement of perceived failure.

In many cases, it's the desire to stop procrastinating that you are "failing" at, and that is discouraging. Failing to stop procrastinating makes the idea of stopping procrastinating more trepidatious. You can overcome this with willpower but that becomes exhausting. The fact that it is exhausting makes more negative associations with the idea of not procrastinating and reinforces the difficulty. Essentially, it's not that you're lazy, or that you're afraid of the individual tasks that you have to do, it's that there's a sort of mental hurdle that needs to be overcome to do "something" that you want to do.

I have overcome this by slowly introducing very simple routines into my life. Routines that are all but impossible to fail.

The first was to not worry about any commitments on Saturdays, but to relax and take a nap. After weeks of that, I was just generally having a better time on Sundays.

I made a resolution to get coffee at a local coffee shop on Sunday Morning, with my wife if possible, otherwise by myself.

I made a list of chores to do at home, very simple ones, and loaded it into wsplit (a tool generally used for timing speedruns in video games). The list is: - Put on Music - Clean Desk - Empty Dishwasher - Fill Dishwasher - Brush and Floss Teeth - Clean Table - Clean Counter - Clean Cat Litter - Vacuum Living Room The tool is restrictive, it doesn't let you go back, it only lets you progress to the next task. It also times you. I did this every day.

I pick up flowers from a local flower shop on Mondays to put on the table.

I invite my brother over for dinner on Thursday.

I've made a list similar to the above for work.

This all might seem stupid to an outsider. And it's not at all like I was living like a slob prior to this, but these are really juts exercises. The fact that these are decisions that I've made in advance means that there's no thought that needs to go into carrying them out. I don't worry about procrastinating when I'm doing my list of chores. I go home, I start the timer, the list tells me what I need to do, and I start doing it. My house is always in a state of cleanliness even if surprise guests come over, and the time it takes to complete the task shortens every day. Eventually, the task actually becomes a source of stress relief. I know it will take me 15-30 minutes, and my house will be presentable. I know I have something for breakfast in the morning on Sunday. I know regardless of my week that I'll be able to recover on Saturday. I never have to make plans for Thursday. I run a work routine twice daily, and I know that all of my e-mail will be read and my tasks and reporting will be captured.

There are two caveats though. The first is that I have decided I won't feel guilty for the things that I'm doing. I'm not working now, I'm posting on HN. But I've completed my routine for the morning, so I know my status, and I have nothing looming that I need to do. I had some pressing things and I attended to them already because I was alerted to them when I was first doing that routine. Procrastination only happens for me when I'm trying (but kind of failing) to ignore the consequences of inaction, also it's exacerbated by the feeling of an unknown multitude of tasks hanging over me. My work routine is simple, always makes me feel more in control, but also makes me aware of what is actually really important, and what actually has to have immediate action taken. Because it's simple and makes me feel better, it's easy to accomplish. Because it alerts me to those things, it makes me address them before procrastinating.

The second is that I have decided that while these things are tasks that I do in the evening, or on a Monday, or after lunch. They are not tasks that I _need_ to do every evening, every Monday, or every day after lunch. The completion of these tasks feels good, they are easy to complete, and I know when I can do them. However, this is not a routine that needs to be maintained. If I miss a day, or a week, or three weeks, I haven't failed anything, I don't need to "start again" and I can always go out on Sunday and get my coffee and sandwich.

Ultimately the result is not to use my willpower to overcome procrastination. My goal is to reduce the need to use willpower to do most tasks, to make many tasks that remove stress a matter of routine rather than will. This way I conserve willpower for the leftover tasks that I don't have a routine for. Because I have saved that willpower, it's more likely that those tasks will succeed, and since I don't count the occasional non-productive moment as a failure, I've stopped feeling so much that I procrastinate.

I'm sometimes unproductive, but when I am, I'm aware of the consequences and it feels like a decision. When I decide to approach a task, I don't have that guilty, hidden, procrastinating barrier to overcome. And not having to "beat" procrastination gives me that much more willpower to initiate tasks.

This has been a slow process for me, over the course of a year. But the impact on my mood and my feeling of agency has been indescribable. While before I thought I was lazy, I just realized that I was really just exhausting myself - straining against myself.

What I'm trying to do now is to mentally separate the resolution to do a task from the initiation of the task. Instead of thinking "If I decide to do this, I have to work" it's more like "This is something I need to do for this rational reason." and then "I will start the task that I decided to do." avoiding any consideration of what it might feel like. That's more challenging, but it's slowly working, and I'm starting to feel good doing "Things that I resolved to do" as opposed to "communicating with an irate client" or "fixing the issue that has been broken for so long I'm embarrassed that it's still not fixed". It just gets abstracted into a "Starting a task" meme, and generally when I start a task, and proceed to the next step, it ultimately gets completed. And fixing that embarrassing issue finally feels great. Resolving the issue with the client feels good. And if more issues come up, I don't worry about them, I put them on the list, when I get to my routine I evaluate them, and then I begin them.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#262
I work as a manager and I'd say that I would consider your problem not being "yours" but your manager's problem.

As your manager, I would have you work more closely with some dedicated but inspirational and funny person. Have you in on discussions and make research on topics shapes the decision making of what we are working on. I would simply make sure you had at least three different type of work (programming, researching, preparing for a presentation etc) and see what you gravitated towards and then keep a solid ratio between the different things.

So, I guess that I am suggesting that you should tell your manager about this problem and have her helping you with it.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#263
post #147

For as long as I can remember I have been a super procrastinator. You have misdiagnosed yourself, which is why you've had so much difficulty finding a solution. You're trying to solve the wrong problem... You are not a procrastinator. You are a fish out of water. You are not where you belong, working on what you should be working on. You consciously don't realize this, but deep down inside, you really do; that's why…

   "We procrastinate when we've forgotten who we are"
   Merlin Man in Inbox Zero Notes (Sep-30-2009) 
   http://inboxzero.tumblr.com/post/201133278

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#264
To me, this is all about motivation.

You know your mental capacity/ability easily exceeds and achieves what is asked of it, so in order to stop yourself over delivering you have created self imposed limits to prevent wasting your creative resources. Applying the 'minimum effective dose' to your work load is efficient but makes you a poor team player.

You then use time pressure & the guilt of not having done much work as motivation and a daily indicator of when it's time to really apply yourself & sprint to your deadline.

You're obviously deeply motivated by the sense of reward in experiencing the 'phew, just made it' scenario and this is far more attractive than pacing yourself and then asking for more work.

I don't actually think you're procrastinating - just waiting to be motivated & challenged and then filling in that extra time with (poor quality) mental stimulation.

By working in this sprint fashion you're actually ensuring you can cope with deadlines, stress & pressure - important skills you learned in your academic life.

Ways to resolve this involve using this motivation to your advantage (be careful not to burn yourself out)

Explain to your manager you feel you could be more productive & ask for a milestone approach to your work.

Surround yourself with ambitious people that you respect (even in online circles) they will provide a peer group that might trigger your competitiveness

Work on projects in your spare time in a sprint fashion e.g one night/week/month only or Startup Weekends

Decide on a work based project of your own creation to keep you productive even when you're not working on your core tasks.

You've ticked off the achievements that society sets out for us, now you have to continue the list & decide on your own new aims.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#265
Can't help you with this, but wow I could have written this myself buddy. I started freelancing, and feeling how tough it is now. I find myself playing catch-up all the time, and binge working, and making excuses to clients, which sucks, and do not define as how I see myself as a person. I'm pretty ADD as well. As a side-note I found L-theanine+caffeine (or just tea) helps me in relaxing and focusing for longer periods. I didn't drink any today I just realized, and boy i'm all over the place with the regular 22 random tabs open.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#266
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also helps me to look at this image: http://i.imgur.com/39U4k.png . Each box is one month of your life. There really aren't that many of them.

I'm 30, and just put a layer on top of that marking the boxes that are behind me. Like the OP, I consider myself a chronic under-performer. And you're right. This kind of hits home. What did I fill those boxes with? What do I want to fill the remaining ones with?

http://lifeboxes.neocities.org/

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it odd that this sounds like normal human behavior to me?

Nope. Pathologising the normal range of human behavior is a popular activity of neurotic western privileged people. Or whatever the mental illness that's trending at the moment.

Another favourite past-time of Western-privileged-folks: waxing poetic about subject matter they have no acquaintance with outside of internet articles and forum comments.

Regardless of contrasts with "more serious" psychological or physical illness, ADHD is debilitating without treatment and destroys the suffer's quality of life.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#268

> I make $130k as a 21 year old and I probably put in 3 hours of real work a day. do you really think your subconscious is capable of changing when this is the scenario it is presented with? you say you're "pretty smart", i would say "you're just smart enough to get away with it." start a company. force yourself into uncomfortable situations.

I'm not sure that "start a company" would be good advice until he can figure out what the causes of his lack of motivation are. Working entirely on his own without the structure and goals of an organized workplace around him could lead to even more procrastination.

yeah, it could. the business could also fail for 500 other reasons.

if he thinks he's so smart, he should try it. i dare him.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#269
post #131

I can absolutely relate. We're in the same boat and this is my personal cry for help, but more on that further down. I'm 30 and still where you are, except without money. I've only skimmed the comments, but I agree with those who say you may have ADD or ADHD-PI. For adults with ADHD (speaking as one who's done a bit of research on it over the past few months), medication is almost never enough. Adult ADHD is complica…

Just my take it on it as a 29 year old with no money and a bag of procrastination issues and some traits that look like ADD (I've once got diagnosed for general anxiety disorder, no ADD, but never did a test for it): Technical solutions, like the one you explained never worked for me. I'd second some other commenters here that accepting oneself is the first step. And learning to look objectivly on yourself and accept…

I'm not feeling down on myself. I've done the exercise/meditation thing and, to some extent, still meditate. I've been through the jazz standards of overcoming these issues. I accept myself wholly, but also recognize that I'm not the only person in the world for who these solutions aren't the (complete) answer...as you said, when the level of stress/fear rises, things still fall apart for you.

Technical solutions haven't worked for me in the past, either, but they weren't developed for me. How did they fail for you?

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#270
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely had a similar experience When I was still working from home. Working for 30-45 minutes and then play video games, work out, and even just clean the apartment. A tea timer by your desk is a great way to approach this at work, personally I find 15 - 20 minutes of work 5 minutes of procrastinating is good balance.

Perhaps without realizing that, but essentially you've just described the Pomodoro Technique, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique :-) It was also my technique for studying for exams through university: 45 minutes of focussed study, followed by a 15 minute break for tea, lunch or fun things. After six of those, I could stop knowing that I had a day well spent. (And as a bonus, I mastered 3-ball juggling af…

no, because pomodoro is when you have defined task that can completed in the allotted time.
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