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Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

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Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

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post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

That's not how a Ponzi scheme works, which is what Bitcoin is rapidly turning in to.

If you don't double down, someone else will, and your hardware will be worthless. Therefore you need to keep spending to keep mining.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#12
post #7

You know, for $15,000 I'd expect them to throw in a $200 case.

I think in order for those products to be profitable they need to sell them very very quickly (because of the ever increasing difficulty of the bitcoin mining), so maybe they didn't take the time to design an enclosure and decided to start selling them as soon as they had something working. Very expensive hardware with a very short shelf life, it must be quite interesting (and stressful) to design.

Butterfly Labs doesn't seem that stressed at all even though they're nearly a year behind on orders, still shipping those from July 2012.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#13

According to this calculator [0], in one month, you can expect to earn $20,724.53 dollars (ignoring price changes, difficulty changes, and operating costs). This seems too good to be true, however. Invoking the old adage, "In a gold rush, sell shovels." I wonder what effect all this has on the Bitcoin economy. If everyone begins doing this, then it will become extremely difficult to mine any Bitcoin without any sort…

I like the calculator at http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ better. Using the defaults for network and all that it seems to give around $23,000 profit for the year.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#14
post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

I'd guess it's a calculation in the order of:

We build 50, plug them in, make $500,000 in 3 months We build 50, sell them all, make $250,000 in 1 month

But I'm sure they'll have a couple they keep for themselves, and plug in at the same time as the early deliveries arrive.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#16
post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

They probably are for awhile, then selling them. Hence the delay. Riding out some mining, then slowly releasing them.

I'm thinking if someones smart enough to built a specialized piece of hardware like this, they are smart enough to write up an algorithm that tells when to sell the hardware once the commodity hits peak level.

A mass dump of these would too quickly devalue the market since the increase in new Bitcoins would cause inflation.

edit: Ha, obviously they know it by taking Bitcoins and charging €700 difference in the price of one chip between a July & October delivery.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#17
post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

They probably will.

This needs to be repeated every time btc ASICs are discussed: ASIC economics don't work like most physical products, and instead work more like software. For high-performance asics, the costs of design and masks completely overshadow the costs of actually making chips unless your volume is in the millions. To make the first chip costs many millions, to make the next chip costs $15. The most valuable assets they have are the masks. One of the least risky ways of bootstrapping an ASIC venture is to presell enough chips to pay off R&D, and when you can make them for cheap, keep the rest.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#18
post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

Because they know that doing so would spike the difficulty and dramatically lower the expected value of bitcoins mined per unit. They can sell them for $20k a pop now, claiming that you can make that $20k back in a month of mining - but if they sell out and all their customers start mining back their $20k immediately, it'll take far longer. In the meantime, Bitfury already collected their money and are laughing on the way to the bank.

Re: Bitfury 400 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Rig Hits US Shores

#20
post #4

Why don't they plug them into their outlets themselves?

That's not how a Ponzi scheme works, which is what Bitcoin is rapidly turning in to. If you don't double down, someone else will, and your hardware will be worthless. Therefore you need to keep spending to keep mining.

It's not a Ponzi scheme, because the mining rig builders aren't promising profits, they just promise to deliver the machine. It may very well be a bubble, though.
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