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Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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If you believe the stats on worker productivity that get tossed around here, 3 hours a day of solid work isn't terrible. I have one piece of advice - one technique that I got from a cognitive behavioral therapist that helped me. It's pretty simple: Pick a task you don't feel like doing. Set a timer. 10 or 15 minutes. Work on the task. Do not worry about the end result, or getting to a "good stopping point" or anythin…

I did try FocusBooster for a while and now I'm trying Pomodoros. I think my problem is that I try to go hardcore with it at first and work for a solid 10 hours. Then I burn out from it and don't work for the whole rest of the week.I like the idea of going back to video games or whatever on a more short term basis.

There was a famous marshmallow experiment out of Stanfard looking at self-control. It's been followed with many other related studies. One recently had two groups of students do a mental task (if my memory serves, one group had to add or memorize 2-digit numbers, the other group had to add or memorize 7-digit numbers). As the students left the cognitive activity area, they were offered a snack and could choose between fresh fruit or chocolate. The students with the easier cognitive task more often than not chose the fresh fruit, while the students with the harder cognitive task tended toward the chocolate. Again, if memory serves, it was a pretty strong correlation.

The points being, (a) at any given moment we have a limited amount of self-control, and (b) that limited amount of self-control extends beyond any single given task or situation.

We can increase our overall self-control (e.g., focusing for five minutes can be increased to focusing for five hours), but not significantly in a short period of time (e.g., it might take years to increase a persons ability to focus from a five minute period to a five hour period.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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What you're describing sounds like a highly intelligent person with ADHD-PI, aka ADD. There are lots of techniques out there that can help, and medication can sometimes be effective. Do some research online and talk to your doctor. There are also people who specialize in helping / coaching people with ADD and similar memory / attention deficits.

ADHD is NOT add .. big difference and distinction to be aware of.

ADD is no longer used as a medical term. It has been subsumed into ADHD, and the distinctions of predominantly inattentive, predominantly hyperactive, and combined were created.

It is very common for people with high IQ to go through their entire academic lives undiagnosed, and only as adults, when sheer intelligence isn't enough to pull them through, they realize they need help.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Perhaps without realizing that, but essentially you've just described the Pomodoro Technique, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique :-) It was also my technique for studying for exams through university: 45 minutes of focussed study, followed by a 15 minute break for tea, lunch or fun things. After six of those, I could stop knowing that I had a day well spent. (And as a bonus, I mastered 3-ball juggling af…

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Thanks, I was wondering why this page wouldn't compile.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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> it's starting to really gnaw at me Good. One concrete suggestion: Develop the following habit. Whenever you are confronted with an unpleasant task X, there is a moment where your mind starts searching for other, more pleasant things to do. This is the moment where you have to implant the habit of asking - not yourself, but an imaginary judge: "If I defer task X, will it become easier later?". For some tasks, this m…

It's a great suggestion, but it presumes that task X is well defined. I think that a major source of "procrastination" (in quotes, because it's the good kind of p.) is that we do not know what to do next. I call it "the next smallest step". Do I need to read the documentation/book/google so that I can get a better idea on why this may be failing, or should I fire up the debugger? Why not just check HN instead?

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Log off all this crap on the internet now and get back to work. Stop reading this thread and start asking someone to review the crap code you're writing. And fill your vast amount of freetime at work actually doing something to improve your company. They pay your bills so you can click keys and press buttons. So stop pressing the wrong keys and start typing something productive not posts like these. Also, stop readin…

Just stop beeing depressed. Just stop beeing sucidal. Just stop taking drugs. Just stop drinking alcohol. Would be great if the world would work this way.

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Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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post #143
post #104

Log off all this crap on the internet now and get back to work. Stop reading this thread and start asking someone to review the crap code you're writing. And fill your vast amount of freetime at work actually doing something to improve your company. They pay your bills so you can click keys and press buttons. So stop pressing the wrong keys and start typing something productive not posts like these. Also, stop readin…

Just stop beeing depressed. Just stop beeing sucidal. Just stop taking drugs. Just stop drinking alcohol. Would be great if the world would work this way.

sudo make me a sandwich ;-)

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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One thing that worked for me in the past.

Get a post-it note and write 3 things you want to achieve today.

Then work on those 3 things until they are done.

If you find yourself procrastinating, just look at the post-it note to remind you what you're meant to be doing and restore your focus.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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I'm 30, and just put a layer on top of that marking the boxes that are behind me. Like the OP, I consider myself a chronic under-performer. And you're right. This kind of hits home. What did I fill those boxes with? What do I want to fill the remaining ones with?

Well, gosh, your life is meaningless drivel unless you fill those boxes with stuff! Produce! Nevermind what your wife and kids think of you, nevermind the laughter of your friends, the beauty you saw, the wonders you imagined. All those times you helped out a bum, cooked dinner, played with your niece: meaningless, if it got in the way of putting an achievement into a month-box! Produce! Produce! What are you going t…

I think that's the point. It doesn't matter what you fill them with--fun, work, standing on your head--just that you feel accomplished by having done what you've done. If you don't, then maybe it's time for some change.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Me too.

Paraphrasing pg, going in to work and wasting 90% of your time is like getting uncontrollably drunk at lunch. It's very bad habit/behavior/addiction. So first of all, take it seriously.

Here's some things that work/have worked for me, in no particular order. They all interact and work best in bunches. None have cured me. All have helped.

1. meditation - many meditation practices develop your ability to prevent your mind from wandering. Letting your mind wander is a big part of procrastination. It also helps with patience which is also important.

2. Recognize the impulse and address it - This is very complimentary to meditation. You sit down to do a task, then your mind looks for some sort of procrastination (reading, games). Recognize that feeling and feel it. Don't fight it, just experience it for a few seconds. Then place your hands flat on your desk. Your feet flat on the ground. Straighten your back. Breath deep 5 times. The impulse should pass. Tweak this as you like as long as you recognize the impulse, experience it & have a little ritual (sitting straight, breathing, etc.)

This sounds like hippy dippy bullshit said out loud, but it doesn't feel half as lame when you do it. It is very effective.

3. Collaboration - If two people are at a computer, procrastination does not go on for hours. More generally, try to seek out work less procrastination-inducing.

4. Do work in small batches - Take 5 minute breaks every hour. etc. This increases the feedback to you that you are procrastinating.

5. Talk about it.

6. Accountability mechanisms - Your ability to hide is an enabler. Try timed screenshots sent to a friend. Twice daily 2 minute confessional phone call to a friend. Mirror your screen someplace it can be seen by everyone. Coaching sessions. Lots of options. Quirky is ok.

7. Drugs - ADD medication (eg ritalin) can help.

8. Sleep - Less Sleep = More Procrastination. Maybe you need more sleep. Maybe you need 10 hours. everyone is different. Try getting 10 hours for one week and see if it helps.

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