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Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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Here is something I wrote on this previously -

Once upon a time I thought I was lazy. I'd sit in front of my computer at work with the intention of working but something inside me just wouldn't let me. It would make me feel so guilty and bad but no matter how hard I willed myself to work I just couldn't make it happen. This didn't happen all the time, sometimes I'd get caught up in my job and not have any problems. But it happened often enough that it was a constant weight on my shoulders.

It turned out to be more a lack of encouragement and work ethic from my childhood. It was a defense mechanism, it was a way of rebelling and trying to get attention. Unfortunately it didn't fit into my adult life at all!

Many of us have old defence mechanisms and some of the most destructive ones block our drive and inner motivation.

Maybe we got spoiled as a kid, never having to do any work for ourselves so never learning the satisfaction of a job well done. We associate work with something lower people do, maids, gardeners etc. But doing daily tasks can be one of the most rewarding parts of the day.

Since I can't seem to find any good links related to this I'll go into some more details on what worked for me.

Basically whenever I come across a block from something I learnt as a child I use visualisation to relive what I would have preferred to learn. We can all do this, go somewhere comfortable where you can relax and won't be disturbed as this might bring up some strong emotions.

Now imagine back to the time when your defence behaviour was forming, when you are little. Spend some time getting this idea clear in your mind. Feel little again. Now imagine another you as you are today with your current understanding of things meeting that younger you. Now what advise would you tell your younger self, imagine your younger self views you like a big brother or sister. Let the conversation flow naturally. Repeat until you can feel your unconscious attitudes begin to shift.

The reason this technique really helps us is because behaviours we learned as children arn't based on logic so simply understanding why you should be doing something better doesn't get to that unconscious belief. The unconscious needs to feel that emotional caring guidance to re-learn it's behaviours. Guidance from someone you trust implicitly. By doing this visualisation we are becoming our own parent in a way and that lets us re-learn these early lessons.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#63
My startup is all about solving this problem! http://beeminder.com

It's specifically for lifehacking data nerds (so probably most people here on HN) and the idea is to combine a quantified self tool with a commitment contract. Specifically, you pledge (actual money) that you'll keep all your datapoints on a "yellow brick road" to your goal and if you don't, we charge you.

We integrate with various gadgets and apps like RescueTime and Trello and GitHub (also fitness things like Fitbit but I guess this thread is more about productivity-related motivation) so, for example, you can force yourself to waste less time on Facebook or commit to GitHub more often, or enforce a steady rate of moving Trello cards to the Done pile.

[repeated from a very similar Ask HN thread the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6121572 ]

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

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If you believe the stats on worker productivity that get tossed around here, 3 hours a day of solid work isn't terrible. I have one piece of advice - one technique that I got from a cognitive behavioral therapist that helped me. It's pretty simple: Pick a task you don't feel like doing. Set a timer. 10 or 15 minutes. Work on the task. Do not worry about the end result, or getting to a "good stopping point" or anythin…

I did try FocusBooster for a while and now I'm trying Pomodoros. I think my problem is that I try to go hardcore with it at first and work for a solid 10 hours. Then I burn out from it and don't work for the whole rest of the week.I like the idea of going back to video games or whatever on a more short term basis.

I haven't tried FocusBooster, but lately I've been trying Focus@Will, which plays music mixed in ways to keep you focused. Seems to be working pretty well for me.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#66
> it's starting to really gnaw at me

Good.

One concrete suggestion:

Develop the following habit. Whenever you are confronted with an unpleasant task X, there is a moment where your mind starts searching for other, more pleasant things to do. This is the moment where you have to implant the habit of asking - not yourself, but an imaginary judge:

"If I defer task X, will it become easier later?".

For some tasks, this may be true (e.g. taking out the trash is easier when you're heading outside for work anyway). For most, it's not. Use this question as an arbiter and follow its verdict.

And when you completed an annoying task, rejoice in the feeling of relief and accomplishment (maybe not the task itself was hard, but overcoming the unpleasantry was), and remind yourself of this feeling the next time. Rinse and repeat.

One more abstract suggestion:

You have probably heard it a thousand times from your teachers, parents etc. - "You could accomplish so MUCH, if just you would STRIVE for it..." You believe it yourself, talking about your "full capacity".

But it's not true. Or at least it's the wrong perspective, allowing for wishful thinking.

The current state you are in - that is your full capacity. More you do not know, because more you have never tried. Or, more drastically: More you do not have, because more you have never proved.

Maybe that's even the reason you are not improving your chore-handling abilities after all (if you allow me this unfounded speculation): You are afraid of hitting your limit (a.k.a. failing) to soon, realizing that you're not that capable after all.

Luckily, there is no such thing as a fixed, inate capacity. Your capacity will definitely improve when you start taking yourself seriously and stop generously sparing yourself the chores. Prove it to yourself what you really can do.

It always risky to advise a person you never met, so take this with a grain of salt. Hopefully it's useful to you.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#68
post #55

Are you sure you are a procrastinator? Chances are you are NOT. I was also a long time procrastinator (at least I believed) till I came across this article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/opinion/sunday/why-smokers... which is changing me (its only a week now) As I said, you might not be a procrastinator, you may very well be a victim of seeking short time pleasure at the cost of long term benefits. Your impulse to…

What that article describes is exactly the philosophy behind Beeminder. Now I'm dying to know what made you conclude that you don't have that problem (known most generally as Akrasia, btw) and what lifehackery you're now using.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#69

1. DOWNSIZE. drastically reduce your commitments / todo list. Procrastination is your subconscious brain's way of saying that it is freaking out with what's on its plate. 2. INTENTION. with the stuff that's left over, take a time out and truly commit to it. Do meditation, quiet your brain, and make an honest decision about what you're committing to. 3. IMPLEMENTATION. now plan HOW you will get these committments done…

I think too much shit is probably part of my problem. I say yes to everything all the time and as a result I'm involved with literally every part of this startup. I've definitely made myself a Godin lynchpin but people are starting to lose faith in this silly wunderkinds ability to execute. Meditation is a good idea. I tried getting into it, ended up reading up on some weird sex meditation shit and went down the rabb…

> I have found paracetam to be super helpful but it only works for a week or two before khans to cycle off it. I was on it about 2.5 weeks ago and did in 4 days what I normally have been doing in a month.

Try one of the many other racetams. Also noopept, closely related, helps a lot of people.

For me, ALCAR and Stabilized R-ALA (R Alpha Lipic Acid) help a ton with focus.

If you drink caffeine take l-theanine along with it, it dramatically boosts the effectiveness of caffeine and gives me a good 4+ hours of straight focus.

Re: Ask HN: I'm a chronic procrastinator – how do I break it?

#70
Successful programmer (let's just say I ride a bay-area shuttle bus to work) with the same problem here, but feel like I'm on the path to solving it.

The answer for me came (well, started: I'm working on it) through finally going to see a therapist and working through a bunch of other stuff.

Eventually, I got to the point where the next thing bothering me was my work. It was a relief to talk with someone who took my anxiety about it seriously: even my wife mostly just hit me with that "oh, you're just hard on yourself- I'm sure you're doing a great job".

I'm sure working through it for you will be different, but here's some of the things that were helpful for me...

- think/feel through what exactly is going on at the moment you start avoiding work: what are you feeling? What is going on? (There's probably something fairly logical going on, even if its solving a problem from 20 years ago) - maybe you had a more adversarial outlook growing up, towards authority, school, imposed rules, some other kind of bullshit: perhaps you've reached a point where you've outgrown the need for that - do you think of things in the classic Puritan-inherited good vs bad, reward vs punishment? Do you feel guilty? My therapist often sounds fairly zen, which initially felt vacuous, but I think I'm starting to get it: you can just be at work, in the moment, and start working on something instead of procrastinating, and not have it be a big struggle of willpower. - In a similar vein, I think I grew up thinking of myself as likely to do the wrong thing: I'll make myself eat my vegetables, but left alone, I'd probably opt for sugar. I'll do what I'm supposed to in school, and be the smart kid, but really, I can't trust myself because if I drop my guard ill probably just go back to slacking. Perhaps it's time to explore the idea of doing things out of a positive desire for mastery, the challenge of contending with bigger problems, growth, rather than trying to marshal your feared negative attributes into positive outcomes through trickery, deadlines, etc. You can trust yourself more than you think.

My, that was long and navel-gazing... But I hope it helps. Hacker news is full of "self-flagellate yourself into beating procrastination" rhetoric, and I found that approach unhelpful, exhausting, and depressing.

One last word: take your dissatisfaction seriously: I know you are successful and smart, but it bothered you at least enough to post here. It's going to take hard work to rewire engrained habits and responses, but at least one anonymous coward here is cheering for you, and has compassion for you :-)

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