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NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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> “I haven’t lied to Congress,” Alexander responded

And WTF was that, now?

EDIT: I guess this is true because actually, he lied to the chairs in the room. Or some coffee mugs that were also present.

Is that how one evades a lie detector, btw?

It really can't get any sicker. We have now reached the bottom.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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> “I haven’t lied to Congress,” Alexander responded And WTF was that, now? EDIT: I guess this is true because actually, he lied to the chairs in the room. Or some coffee mugs that were also present. Is that how one evades a lie detector, btw? It really can't get any sicker. We have now reached the bottom.

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Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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This entire event was a staged press op. Keith Alexander is a ~30 year veteran of SIGINT, electronic warfare, and intelligence, and a Four-Star US Army General --- which is a bigger deal than you probably think it is. He's a spy chief in the truest sense and a master politician. Anyone who thinks he walked into that conference hall in Caesars without a near perfect forecast of the outcome of the speech is kidding themselves.

Heckling Alexander played right into the strategy. It gave him an opportunity to look reasonable compared to his detractors, and, more generally (and alarmingly), to have the NSA look more reasonable compared to opponents of NSA surveillance. It allowed him to "split the vote" with audience reactions, getting people who probably have serious misgivings about NSA programs to applaud his calm and graceful handling of shouted insults; many of those people probably applauded simply to protest the hecklers, who after all were making it harder for them to follow what Alexander was trying to say.

There was no serious Q&A on offer at the keynote. The questions were pre-screened; all attendees could do was vote on them. There was no possibility that anything would come of this speech other than an effectively unchallenged full-throated defense of the NSA's programs.

Even the premise of the keynote was calculated to wrong-foot NSA opponents. However much you might want to hear Alexander account for the activities of the NSA, the NSA itself is not the real oversight mechanism for the NSA! My guess is that no pol with meaningful oversight over NSA would have consented to address a room full of technology professionals about NSA's programs; they were happy to send NSA's own supremely well-trained figurehead to do that for them.

I think a walkout might have been effective, had it been organized well enough in advance (perhaps with some of the same aplomb as the [I think misguided] opposition to CISPA); at least you'd get some stinging photos.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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Audio here: https://soundcloud.com/larrymagid/nsa-director-general-keith

Thank you for sharing. I'll be sure to listen in later.

While everyone else on this subject is going to be armchair-debating whether or not the article is a fair representation of what happened... I'm going to just listen into the audio myself and make my own opinion.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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I don't care whether the director of the NSA is a bad guy, it just makes you look bad if you heckle someone on stage. There are probably few more scrutinizing audiences for the director of the NSA than a professional security conference. I would rather have him say what he has to say and be analysed by the many bright minds at the conference than for him to be childishly interrupted and waste time that could be spent talking about the actual role of the NSA in the security of the nation.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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post #9

No idea how accurate a depiction of the speech this is, but the article is -- contrary to the title -- portraying the speech as having been warmly received, applauded, with one lone heckler. Now, whether or not one agrees with General Alexander, there are more courteous and productive ways to express yourself than yelling "bullshit".

How does a guy that makes excuses to spy on us all and lies to Congress deserve any courtesy?

Well, maybe he doesn't, but you're the bigger man so you do it anyway. Turning the other cheek and all.

Also, the organisers invited him because they thought you might want to hear what he has to say, so you do it out of respect for them.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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post #16

I don't care whether the director of the NSA is a bad guy, it just makes you look bad if you heckle someone on stage. There are probably few more scrutinizing audiences for the director of the NSA than a professional security conference. I would rather have him say what he has to say and be analysed by the many bright minds at the conference than for him to be childishly interrupted and waste time that could be spent…

> it just makes you look bad if you heckle someone on stage.

It also takes a lot of courage to do just that. And people with courage are rare. They need our support. People who are 2 inches away from getting loud need our support. Because they are the people who can start the chain reaction that is so urgently needed now and that will not happen if we collectively shut up and just stay polite. We have been seriously betrayed and we have now every reason, right and duty to break free from the rules which were appropriate for the times "when things were good".

So I think he did just what everybody should have done - in a perfect world.

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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post #9

No idea how accurate a depiction of the speech this is, but the article is -- contrary to the title -- portraying the speech as having been warmly received, applauded, with one lone heckler. Now, whether or not one agrees with General Alexander, there are more courteous and productive ways to express yourself than yelling "bullshit".

How does a guy that makes excuses to spy on us all and lies to Congress deserve any courtesy?

How on earth does shouting "bullshit" at him like an idiot fratboy make him any more likely to give your concerns any credence?

The best it can do is surprise him for a millisecond, then let him write you off as an "unserious" person to be briefly patronized and then devoutly ignored (or worse, add you to a list of "interesting" persons).

Re: NSA director heckled on stage at Black Hat security conference

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a guy that makes excuses to spy on us all and lies to Congress deserve any courtesy?

Well, maybe he doesn't, but you're the bigger man so you do it anyway. Turning the other cheek and all. Also, the organisers invited him because they thought you might want to hear what he has to say, so you do it out of respect for them.

Politicians and bureaucrats won't change until people start treating them with contempt, both socially and professionally.

Playing nicey-nice with people that have little to no conscience doesn't work as a method of political change.

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