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XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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I'm getting seriously irritated at the "I have nothing to hide" crowd. For starters, here are a few ways this can go horribly wrong: * Industrial espionage -- it's big business, and I'm sure it pays better than being an NSA analyst. * Foreign espionage -- since this gives unlimited querying power to every agent, a single "turned" agent could inflict massive damage on U.S. government and industry interests on behalf o…

This. I can't seem to make people around me understand this point.

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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Can someone explain this to me like a 5 year old and how it interfaces with PRISM?

This is considerably more invasive than PRISM.

This system logs HTTP metadata and data (think the address on the envelope and the contents of the envelope), the metadata for 30 days the contents for 3 days.

This http data is essentially everything that goes over the wire all of which is then shovelled into a database with a fairly sophisticated (if not pretty) front-end that allows really invasive searches.

You can search for stuff like "all emails that contain the words sex doll" or "nudes" and contain jpegs...of course the users would only use this system for legitimate operations covered by warrants.../s.

This is the first of these releases that have really made me stop and go "whoa" mostly because this is "better" (bigger, more complex and capable) than anything I expected them to have now (and this was in 2008).

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. I can see how they get HTTP information, since they would intercept at transit hubs - but how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? I was also looking for another unique ID that users ar…

>This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. It has become a bit of a pet peeve of mine recently to see self-aggrandizing comments from users around the net about how "we should have known" and "none of this is new." I'm a practically addicted news j…

The traditional media is complicit. And it isn't some grand conspiracy either, they just share the same interests as the rest of the establishment, being part of (and/or owned by) the establishment themselves.

There is good independent media that has been covering the story for years though. Here's a Democracy Now story from February 2005:

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/2/10/no_place_to_hide_award...

Democracy Now has an incredible archive on this subject too. Right now it starts here:

http://www.democracynow.org/topics/nsa/7

Specifically, they've done some great interviews with previous whistleblowers:

http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/william_binney http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/russell_tice http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/thomas_drake http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/jesselyn_radack

Other interesting guests:

http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/jacob_appelbaum http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/laura_poitras http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/james_bamford

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to tor metrics only 17% of tor endpoints [1] and a similar percentage of relays [2] are in the USA. The kind of monitoring you propose would require a much higher portion of them to be under NSA control. [1] https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html [2] https://metrics.torproject.org/network.html?graph=relaycount...

The question isn't how many endpoints the NSA has, it is how much bandwidth they have at the endpoints (actually, it is more about how many unique users use their endpoints). But, assume that 1% of Tor connections goes through an NSA exit node. 1% of that 1% would go through both an NSA exit node at both ends, and is therefore comprimised. Tor tries to mitigate this by always using the same exit nodes for your connec…

I imagine that when you have taps at all the colocation centers (which each node would need to go through - and even a surprising number of hops overseas go through the US due to the cheaper price of bandwidth) you may not need to control the endpoints to break anonymity, with enough statistical analysis of the packets entering and exiting the known tor nodes. Tor doesn't work against attackers who can monitor the whole network, and the developers say so up front.

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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Yep I'm done, I'll just go about my life from now on...

It's total power, I think it's unlikely that they'll want to give up on this kind of power, they'll probably keep signing governments and 'the tech' will eventually be exported and in the hands of governments everywhere, they'll keep building this and they'll create tons of algorythms of course because it's just too much data, any resistance can be crushed... and it's so much power eventually some dark times will begin... I'm done with the topic.

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not as much as FB co-founder offering his company Palantir services to government on people's intelligence.

I also suspect that Palantir is involved.

Let's not forget about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narus_(company)

And some proof: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.528529

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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This is overwhelming. Even when you always hear the claims about we knew this was going on, somehow it is still shocking when you see it all laid out infront of you with screenshots and the capabilities described. I can see how they get HTTP information, since they would intercept at transit hubs - but how are they getting all Facebook private messages and Gmail? I was also looking for another unique ID that users ar…

Here's a daily cartoon from the New Yorker a month ago[1][2]. I think someone missed the point with it being tagged "global warming, sea ice", though.

[1] http://www.newyorker.com/images/2013/07/01/p465/130701_daily...

[2] http://cartoonbank.licensestream.com/LicenseStream/Store/con...

Re: XKeyscore: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

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I wonder how Sencha ( http://www.sencha.com/ ) feels about how the NSA is clearly using their ExtJS framework given the screenshots. I guess this kind of puts different perspective to the whole debate that came from JSMin's "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." clause ( http://wonko.com/post/jsmin-isnt-welcome-on-google-code ) given that conceivably your open source framework might be a significant part of…

Its also very likely the machines are being run on Linux boxes. Should Linus being losing sleep knowing he aided the NSA in this? Even the very database this system runs on may be an offshoot of the Google BigTable paper. Should Google have never opens sourced the software that eventually became HBase/Hadoop/Cassandra because of the NSA?

A tool is a tool. I don't think Henry Ford should feel guilty for enabling people to kidnap children with greater speed.

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