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Post by rainforest »

moubarak wrote: post #268
rainforest wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you're desperately trying to inject religion into an argument where it's wholly irrelevant. Take this at face value: HN is about tech. Religion is not tech, therefore it's not at the forefront of discussion (with the exception of this trainwreck of a tangent). Someone is facing legal action for posting pictures and need help with their startup. The context of their conviction isn't relevant for the disc…

did you read the description? not so secular isn't it? so if the description is not secular, how am i desperately injecting religion? what kind of filtering did you use when you read the description? im very curious.

From the title:

> Ask HN: I might be going to prison soon, how to save my one-man SaaS startup?

That's what the discussion should be about. Perhaps OP shouldn't have mentioned his "crime", but the fact that it's religious has no bearing on how he handles running a startup from jail.

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Post by zhemao »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #91

To everyone ITT who is questioning whether OP has considered leaving his country. This is a public forum. Obviously, OP cannot/should not openly solicit or respond to advice for breaking the law or otherwise give any impression that he intends to flee, or otherwise escape his country's excuse for "Justice". Of course we are all free to give him this advice, and perhaps we should do so, but remember that OP cannot res…

I would argue that just posting such advice here on a public forum could potentially damage OP's case. If the Malaysian authorities are willing to charge him with "sedition" for a photo, isn't it possible that they'll charge him with "conspiracy to flee authorities" or something like that because some people on the internet suggested he flee the country?

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Post by VladRussian2 »

cahitonur wrote: post #108
serf wrote: post #70

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Are you seriously comparing the difficulty of opening a bank account to the difficulty of losing your freedom and liberty? You know, people did live before banks.. The only reason you think that he doesn't care about going to jail is the fact that he's prioritizing his livelihood. You're conveniently missing the lines where he calls it a mob action. He clearly doesn't agree with the sentence.

Actually, I'm just focusing on the question. He is asking "how can I save my business" not his freedom. Let him think about his own freedom. And when I compare a couple of years in prison to my whole life the answer is clear for me. Escaping the country brings the bonus that he will never be able to see his own country again. As an expat who is away from home for the last 4 years I can easily say that it sucks. Being…

>As an expat who is away from home for the last 4 years I can easily say that it sucks. ... >Being away from home doesn't make you free.

it seems like it depends on their your "home" is. I've been living in US for more than decade. Never looked back :)

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Post by Spooky23 »

cpursley wrote: post #102
mahmud wrote: post #13

Escape the country. Going into a foreign embassy is not gonna do you any good. "The Free World" spies on, and jails its own people, and it will not risk another Mohammad cartoongate helping you. So don't even think about requesting asylum at an embassy. Sell all you own and head to the nearest border/coastal town. Pay off smugglers or fishermen and get the fuck out.

Agreed. You need to leave. Now. Sell your stuff, get currency, use your international connections. It's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done, but liberty is the most important. Who knows what will happen in prison and for how long they will detain you. Also, depending on how technically competent your government is, you need to get all your services offshore now: Wuala for storage (like dropbox - based in S…

Great advice! Jump bail, sneak out of the country. Before you go, just move all of your stuff offshore!

What could go wrong?

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Post by cahitonur »

moubarak wrote: post #225
cahitonur wrote: post #165

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fyi, me and my 59836 friends believes that the computer keyboards are our gods. and our religion says that if a person from another religion touches a keyboard he should be outcasted.

i respect your god more than you do, because i think before i type.

if you'd capable to think you must have seen there is something wrong with your religion by now. have you ever read your holly book, did you notice hundreds of mistakes in it? marriage with a 9 years old is ok but posting a picture of yourself while eating some food needs outcast. what you believe in your sick mind is your own business. don't try to spread this illness here and get the fuck out of my sight.

as a side note, i born as a muslim and read the kuran several times. don't try to teach me islam here. if a person doesn't believe to allah, it's his own problem. who are you to decide that. are you allah?

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Post by moubarak »

rainforest wrote: post #271
moubarak wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did you read the description? not so secular isn't it? so if the description is not secular, how am i desperately injecting religion? what kind of filtering did you use when you read the description? im very curious.

From the title: > Ask HN: I might be going to prison soon, how to save my one-man SaaS startup? That's what the discussion should be about. Perhaps OP shouldn't have mentioned his "crime", but the fact that it's religious has no bearing on how he handles running a startup from jail.

so you simply filtered the entire description. fair enough.

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

zhemao wrote: post #273
fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #91

To everyone ITT who is questioning whether OP has considered leaving his country. This is a public forum. Obviously, OP cannot/should not openly solicit or respond to advice for breaking the law or otherwise give any impression that he intends to flee, or otherwise escape his country's excuse for "Justice". Of course we are all free to give him this advice, and perhaps we should do so, but remember that OP cannot res…

I would argue that just posting such advice here on a public forum could potentially damage OP's case. If the Malaysian authorities are willing to charge him with "sedition" for a photo, isn't it possible that they'll charge him with "conspiracy to flee authorities" or something like that because some people on the internet suggested he flee the country?

In that case he should definitely flee. OP obviously has no ability to control what is posted here by any other person.

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Post by doktrin »

moubarak wrote: post #266
darkarmani wrote: post #255

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There should be lots of counter-examples of countries that have a Muslim majority and respect freedom of speech. Just point out one of those many countries to refute him.

a hasty generalization does not need refutation. it is false in its essence.

You could also read it as a statement of fact, and I don't see anyone volunteering evidence to refute it.

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Post by mnazim »

darkarmani wrote: post #256
mnazim wrote: post #167

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Hmm. If he is being prosecuted for teasing fasting Muslims with food, it is just idiotic and with absolutely no legal precedence from authentic Islamic history. (Yes, I am a fasting Muslim too) Problem with "hurting the sentiments" style cases everywhere is that usually there is absolutely no guidelines or legal framework on what constitutes "hurting the sentiments" and it boils down to the men/women judging the case…

> Hmm. If he is being prosecuted for teasing fasting Muslims with food, it is just idiotic and with absolutely no legal precedence from authentic Islamic history. (Yes, I am a fasting Muslim too) Shouldn't teasing be part of the challenge of fasting? If fasting was easy, why even do it?

It doesn't have to be, but at the same time it is not a issue of "hurting the sentiments" at all.

As I mentioned in my other comment: From religious POV, a fasting Muslim actually gets extra reward when other people eat in front of him. There are numerous incidents from authenticated Islamic history that show when a fasting Muslim was offered food, he/she would refuse saying "I am fasting and they(Muslims and non Muslims alike, even Prophet himself) would continue eating.

Such problems generally stem from ignorance and [it pains me to say] "I am the saviour of Islam" complex of [some]Muslims as a direct result of ignorance.

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