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Post by kohanz »

freehunter wrote: post #62
regularguy wrote: post #34

I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-ja... What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. If you are that person, it may difficult to find someone you can trust enough to take over the SaaS startup whilst you are away. Good luck.

Posting a picture of them eating pork is not offense to me as a non-muslim. What is offensive to me as a non-muslim is that their lives are in question because of religion. It's 2013: get over it. My religion doesn't forbid eating pork, would you be offended if I said I had bacon for breakfast this morning?

This is not really a fair comparison. It would be more like posting a picture during the Xmas holidays of doing something sinful/forbidden by Christianity with the baby Jesus. The context of this being during Ramadan is extremely important, as it's the holiest time of the year for Muslims.

I'm a former Muslim. I'm not offended by the OP's action, I just think it's a dumb joke that shows a lack of sensibility and respect.

The key is, in the West, if you did what I described above, you would probably receive a lot of flack, but you definitely wouldn't go to jail!

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Post by moubarak »

mahmud wrote: post #252
moubarak wrote: post #248

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so you're an ex creepy, overreaching and domineering person with no respect for individual rights? why should we trust you now?

Didn't I make it abundantly clear that it's only in a majority aggregate that Muslims tend to fall under those adjectives? Minority pockets and individuals are fine. It's majority Muslim states that I have a problem with. And of course, the clerical, thought-police crowd.

im sure minority pockets and individual muslims are humbled by your assessment. I assume you are an adventurer who has travelled many countries, right?

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Post by VladRussian2 »

jdaley wrote: post #205
rdouble wrote: post #141

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Are you in Singapore? This doesn't make sense - you say you live in a Muslim country? I know Singapore is socially strict, but I thought it was secular. Singapore is big on social harmony. There are laws against offending other cultures and anything considered pornography is illegal. But I think he's in trouble in Malaysia.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has weighed in: "The insolent and impudent act by the young couple who insulted Islam showed that freedom of expression and irresponsible opinion can jeopardise the community" Yet the Malaysian constitution includes "every citizen has the right to freedom of speech and expression".

It doesn't really matter whether constitution provides for basic human rights or not. In either case, human race is faced with the question of what to do when basic human rights of people are violated. In general i despise neocons, yet i completely understand their logic of interventionism (note: i don't mean in narrow military sense of Bush doctrine that it was dumbed down to)

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Post by rdouble »

kohanz wrote: post #261
freehunter wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting a picture of them eating pork is not offense to me as a non-muslim. What is offensive to me as a non-muslim is that their lives are in question because of religion. It's 2013: get over it. My religion doesn't forbid eating pork, would you be offended if I said I had bacon for breakfast this morning?

This is not really a fair comparison. It would be more like posting a picture during the Xmas holidays of doing something sinful/forbidden by Christianity with the baby Jesus. The context of this being during Ramadan is extremely important, as it's the holiest time of the year for Muslims. I'm a former Muslim. I'm not offended by the OP's action, I just think it's a dumb joke that shows a lack of sensibility and resp…

It's more like posting a photo of someone ordering a hamburger instead of a filet o fish during lent. Nobody would care.

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Post by darkarmani »

regularguy wrote: post #54
easytiger wrote: post #43

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Thanks for the link but that is in no way offensive

I think if you make (negative) comments on religion, sexuality and race, you are bound to offend some people. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. But if he made an unsightly comment to the gay community at the gay parade, he will probably be deemed offensive too.

How is it a negative comment about religion? Do Muslims assume the rest of the world fasts because they fast?

This overreaction seems like more of a negative comment about Islam then anything anyone could possibly say.

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Post by moubarak »

darkarmani wrote: post #255
coolnow wrote: post #245

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Way to stereotype.

There should be lots of counter-examples of countries that have a Muslim majority and respect freedom of speech. Just point out one of those many countries to refute him.

a hasty generalization does not need refutation. it is false in its essence.

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Post by moubarak »

rainforest wrote: post #250
moubarak wrote: post #224

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who said it is a muslim community. im just saying HN should not be refuge for immoral people who insult other people's cultures. speaking of tech startups and silicon valley, a muslim guy invented algorithms. the word algorithm is a transliteration of his name. his first name is Mohamed. without him, HN nor silicon valley would exist today. in that sense, the OP made an insult to the Tech world as a whole.

It seems like you're desperately trying to inject religion into an argument where it's wholly irrelevant. Take this at face value: HN is about tech. Religion is not tech, therefore it's not at the forefront of discussion (with the exception of this trainwreck of a tangent). Someone is facing legal action for posting pictures and need help with their startup. The context of their conviction isn't relevant for the disc…

did you read the description? not so secular isn't it? so if the description is not secular, how am i desperately injecting religion? what kind of filtering did you use when you read the description? im very curious.

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Post by xtrumanx »

mahmud wrote: post #30
3a0e8ff4e557 wrote: post #27

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And then?

THEN apply for asylum privately, out of the media. It will be very hard living as an undocumented person, but I have seen it done. I'm Somali.

Well what do you know. All these years I had you pegged as Egyptian. Not sure why.

Do you ever visit Hargeisa?

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Post by VladRussian2 »

csomar wrote: post #99
3a0e8ff4e557 wrote: post #87

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1) Nope. I wasn't allowed bail previously, so I was kept in prison for 1 week. I know how it works there. No internet, and phone is very expensive and limited to 10 minutes a week and for only 5 preset numbers. 2) Definitely considered that, and it doesn't even have to be 20 years for me to consider that. 2 years is long enough for me. 3) I'm sorry, do you have the link?

What's the period? If it's 2-5 years, please proceed with jail. Know that there will be deer consequences for attempting something that illegal. Your case is even harder as you got public coverage, so I guess your face is well known to the public/officers.

>If it's 2-5 years, please proceed with jail.

i'm sure it isn't a Norwegian style jail. Sexual blogger insulting Islam in the largest muslim country - my bet would be that he isn't looking into quality time in jail.

On the other side - political asylum seems like exactly the thing applicable in such case, at least US one.

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