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cahitonur wrote: post #108
serf wrote: post #70

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Are you seriously comparing the difficulty of opening a bank account to the difficulty of losing your freedom and liberty? You know, people did live before banks.. The only reason you think that he doesn't care about going to jail is the fact that he's prioritizing his livelihood. You're conveniently missing the lines where he calls it a mob action. He clearly doesn't agree with the sentence.

Actually, I'm just focusing on the question. He is asking "how can I save my business" not his freedom. Let him think about his own freedom. And when I compare a couple of years in prison to my whole life the answer is clear for me. Escaping the country brings the bonus that he will never be able to see his own country again. As an expat who is away from home for the last 4 years I can easily say that it sucks. Being…

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Post by cahitonur »

serf wrote: post #172
cahitonur wrote: post #108

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Actually, I'm just focusing on the question. He is asking "how can I save my business" not his freedom. Let him think about his own freedom. And when I compare a couple of years in prison to my whole life the answer is clear for me. Escaping the country brings the bonus that he will never be able to see his own country again. As an expat who is away from home for the last 4 years I can easily say that it sucks. Being…

I agree with your first part. Indeed, the question he posed was about his business, and to be concerned for his life, while important, is outside the scope of the question asked. However, I don't agree with your second part. 4 years in prison isn't just 4 years in prison. It is 4 years in a situation that is widely out of your control, and opens you up to a host of threats that you didn't consider during your 'outsid…

I'm not telling prison is good! In the current situation there is nothing much to do for him. My point is being a refugee is almost same with being in an open air prison. I know because I live in that prison! And selling hotdogs can be less stressful for a refugee when you compare it to online business without a legal citizenship, passport, credit card etc. Power of the bureaucracy will crush power of the internet easily. Ask that to people living in some countries with limited internet.

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Post by outworlder »

johndevor wrote: post #59
cahitonur wrote: post #47

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You think life is a video game, don't you? There are some other geniuses suggesting the same useless solution. Let's say he did what you said. Do you think he will be able to build a life easily in another country as a refugee? Even opening a bank account will be a huge pain in the ass. The rest of his life will be ruined basically. And it seems he don't care about going to jail, he wants to keep his business running…

Life isn't a game of "Prison Architect." I suspect prison sucks more than anything you could imagine in a video game. The poster's comment is useful to the OP, especially considering OP could be facing 10, 20, 30, or more years for his "infraction." We just don't know, so we can't assume that OP would prefer to remain in his country of origin.

I suspect that prison might suck even more in a country full of muslims, considering his 'crime' has religious grounds.

He's probably going to get worse treatment than average from the other inmates.

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Post by ackfoo »

Get out. Forget your business; you can make a new one somewhere else.

Any life elsewhere is better than a life in a country filled with morons who believe an obvious lie like Islam and order their lives by it.

When you get out, dedicate your life to doing great things by your own rules and eradicating the stupidity of people who believe the crap they are told without evidence.

And for all the overly-sensitive Muslim fanatics out there: your Allah is a figment of your imagination and your Mohammed fucked dogs in his spare time for fun and profit. Jesus, also, was imaginary, you stupid bastards. I dare you to prove me wrong.

Come and get me. I will defend my right to say these things until I am dead. It's called freedom of speech.

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Post by mindstab »

dschulz wrote: post #45

Outrageous. I can't accept things like this are still happening in 2013. Please tell me that you at least considered leaving your country.

You leaving america soon?

Justin carter for example

http://freejustincarter.org/category/justin-carter/

Thrown in jail with a prohibitive bail for months, beaten there, and finally thanks to an anonymous donor out on bail but still facing years in jail for one facebook comment. And that's just the most readily available example.

Please less hyperbole and naivety

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Post by pessimizer »

shubb wrote: post #157
davidcollantes wrote: post #148

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I disagree. I say run, leave that country. I once did the same. Why would he like to live in a country governed by religion to the point that a secular photo gets you to jail? Run, start your life somewhere else. That is my advise.

A lot of countries have dogmatic laws many people in them disagree with. For instance, in the US, you can go to jail for selling cannabis, and a lot of people disagree with that. If an American friend told you he was about to go to jail for a year for selling drugs, and you felt it was unfair, would you tell him to flee? As such, you can comply with unfair laws, or not and take the consequences, or go somewhere with…

>If an American friend told you he was about to go to jail for a year for selling drugs, and you felt it was unfair, would you tell him to flee?

For a year? I'd tell him to stay. For 4-5 years, or 10-15? Run if you can come up with any way to. This particular case also revolves around religious freedom, so it may be possible to get refugee status somewhere, esp. being high-skilled and entrepreneurial.

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Post by peterjancelis »

moubarak wrote: post #166
peterjancelis wrote: post #137

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Offending a religion is just pissing a bunch of people off. So instead of one person that needs to grow up its a whole bunch of them. Difference in degree, not in kind.

your value of a bunch of people is amazing.

You really should learn how free and open societies work. Here's Hans Teeuwen, dutch comedian, explaining it to a few of your fellow muslims: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNBnZsbAWGo

(English subtitles are available, click on 'captions' option.)

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