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Post by tehwalrus »

moubarak wrote: post #103
jacquesm wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my…

you had no reason to offend another religion. you take religion lightly. you should be educated on other cultures. it is not smart to see people dying for their religion all around the world, and then go around offending them claiming that it is your digital right. that is extremely apathetic. im against you being jailed, but i am with you being outcast from society until you appreciate other people's cultures. You d…

I appreciate plenty of cultures, indeed I've tried to learn languages to better understand them, but I'm sure that doesn't mean I have to agree with them.

Assuming I have some criticisms of the application of Islamic laws, why must I ask your permission to express them, and to hold political opinions in general? I'm sure that some of my opinions would be held offensive by someone, does that mean I have "offended a religion/culture"?

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Post by rdouble »

mahmud wrote: post #32
estebank wrote: post #15

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And you think the US will grant him a visa to work being a fugitive of a muslim country?

Hah! Never. The U.S. is the last place you want to seek refugee from an unjust government.

Can't tell if srs. My grandpa got about 5K refugees into the country over his lifetime. Minnesotans are into that sort of thing. Try contacting http://www.iimn.org if you're really into this idea. They could at least say if asylum/refugee status is likely.

The downside is asylum/refugee can be somewhat political. Not sure what the USA's relationship is with Malaysia, and it may offend Singapore. It's better to be from a country nobody ever thinks about, or assumes is horrible like Somalia or Eritrea.

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Post by marchra »

jacquesm wrote: post #107
cpursley wrote: post #102

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Agreed. You need to leave. Now. Sell your stuff, get currency, use your international connections. It's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done, but liberty is the most important. Who knows what will happen in prison and for how long they will detain you. Also, depending on how technically competent your government is, you need to get all your services offshore now: Wuala for storage (like dropbox - based in S…

Slight problem, elsewhere in the thread he says his passport is confiscated.

3D printer, bro

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Post by [deleted] »

muyuu wrote: post #122
cpursley wrote: post #118

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There are other ways. There are millions of people in the USA and Europe without passports.

If they are not nationals, they are illegals. If it's not a very long sentence, OP is better off trying that after he's done with it. Maybe ask for asylum, but afterwards.

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Post by cahitonur »

moubarak wrote: post #103
jacquesm wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my…

you had no reason to offend another religion. you take religion lightly. you should be educated on other cultures. it is not smart to see people dying for their religion all around the world, and then go around offending them claiming that it is your digital right. that is extremely apathetic. im against you being jailed, but i am with you being outcast from society until you appreciate other people's cultures. You d…

this is not about religion. this is about the idiots who think the religion is untouchable. how come a religion is getting offended by a picture. can a picture make you think that your religion is less valuable after you see it? imagine that i'm worshiping to cream cheese and you laugh on that. so now i have enough reason to jail you, even better, kill you. because cream cheese said so.

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Post by stevenbedrick »

csomar wrote: post #96
DanBC wrote: post #58

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You don't need a passport to leave a country. You need a passport to get into a country. People who enter a country illegally and then claim asylum status are unlikely to be in any position to keep their business running.

How hard is it to get a fake-passport and sneak through the airport?

Very. And the consequences from getting caught are bad.

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Post by shubb »

davidcollantes wrote: post #148
shubb wrote: post #24

Depending on how long you are likely to go away, it's probably best do just do the time. Escaping, as others suggested, would mean leaving your life behind, likely living as an illegal elsewhere (without the ability to open a bank account or own a business). If it's probably just a couple of years, it's probably best to sit it out, and resume your life after. You need to hook up with someone you really trust, and giv…

I disagree. I say run, leave that country. I once did the same. Why would he like to live in a country governed by religion to the point that a secular photo gets you to jail? Run, start your life somewhere else. That is my advise.

A lot of countries have dogmatic laws many people in them disagree with. For instance, in the US, you can go to jail for selling cannabis, and a lot of people disagree with that.

If an American friend told you he was about to go to jail for a year for selling drugs, and you felt it was unfair, would you tell him to flee?

As such, you can comply with unfair laws, or not and take the consequences, or go somewhere with different laws. Separately, you might campaign to change them, but while those laws are in place the above choices are all you have. Which you do is really a cost benefit thing.

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Post by rokhayakebe »

estebank wrote: post #15
geuis wrote: post #10

Get out of the country ASAP. Come to San Francisco. You won't go to jail here for posting pictures. Apply for asylum or whatever later, but get your butt on a plane ASAP.

And you think the US will grant him a visa to work being a fugitive of a muslim country?

Not easy, but I know at LEAST 10 people who are in the U.S. based on asylum. The process takes a long time though.

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Post by moubarak »

alinajaf wrote: post #126
moubarak wrote: post #116

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yes if you can prove i offended your religion then i should be outcast. when did i exclude myself?

I am a secular humanist. As part of my faith, I believe that human beings have an inalienable right to freedom of speech without fear of persecution. I find your advocation of outcasting from society those who say things that you find offensive as offensive as you would find a Quran being flushed down a toilet. There's the door.

the Quran is nothing but paper. flushing it down the toilet however is not like flushing a piece of paper. flushing a holy book down the toilet is a message of enmity. why do you speak so illogically.

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

rdouble wrote: post #141
cpursley wrote: post #102

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Agreed. You need to leave. Now. Sell your stuff, get currency, use your international connections. It's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done, but liberty is the most important. Who knows what will happen in prison and for how long they will detain you. Also, depending on how technically competent your government is, you need to get all your services offshore now: Wuala for storage (like dropbox - based in S…

Are you in Singapore? This doesn't make sense - you say you live in a Muslim country? I know Singapore is socially strict, but I thought it was secular. Singapore is big on social harmony. There are laws against offending other cultures and anything considered pornography is illegal. But I think he's in trouble in Malaysia.

Malaysia.
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