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#81
Here are my thoughts

1. For a period of 3-5 year, I'll proceed with the jail. I think you can have limited Internet access in jail, but this might not be the case in your country. Check with the authorities. Otherwise, proceed by selling your business quickly and put the money is a safe index fund. With a 5% return, over 5 year, this means 27% return.

2. If the period is hilariously long, like 20 years, I'll advise you to escape. There are many ways from seeking Asylum to illegally crossing the borders. Some people will discourage you to illegally cross the border, but I guess it's better than spending 20 years in some prison with no real-life contact.

3. I remember there was a discussion about changing one identity. It might sound like movies, but you may want to look into that. You can also just hide in your country, and keep looking for possible escape solutions/countries.

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#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you would just assume that, but considering this: > Sex bloggers Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee have been charged and imprisoned without bail It clearly isn't him

He was released on bail a few days ago. http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=9... I second the call from other comments to flee the country. Doesn't sound like he wants to live in those rules/conditions. At least the startup can continue.

Yup, his identity is correct. Just check one the submissions he has done in the past.

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#83

How hard is it to keep it alive? Can I do it for you while you get your stuff sorted out? Do you have a decent lawyer? Would that make a difference? Let me know (email in profile), I'll gladly help you if I can. I second the calls to leave your country but I can see that this may not always be an option.

I have a decent lawyer. It isn't hard to keep alive; heck, I've been running it pretty half-assed for the past almost 2 years. Still, I cannot abandon it totally.

Also, I don't think it makes enough revenue to warrant hiring anyone to take care of it, I think. I'd make a loss. And since familiarising with the current code base etc. may require a lot of effort, way more effort than anyone would care to dedicate, unless they're paid a lot to get familiar with it.

My startup is http://www.zuupy.com.

I really want to keep the startup, because it's my main source of income that pays my rent, food, entertainment, transportation, etc. It's also my first startup -- it has great sentimental value.

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#84
post #37

Leave the country if possible. I obviously can't know what kind of anti religious posts you have made and what your history on that matter is, but if it isn't hate speech that encourages others to discriminate or do anything else illegal there definitely would be some countries that would give you asylum. The other option if you want to accept going into prison for whatever reason (maybe it is just a few months, or y…

Australia or perhaps Canada

Sweden.

Religious Muslim intolerance might not be the best asylum reason there. There are strange double standards, e.g. right now a comedian is getting shanghaied for a mild joke about Islam -- for generations many times worse jokes have been done about all other religions. Sweden is, in short, a weird duck pond which seems to have a giant Ol' Boy's network between media, politics and everything else.

But -- even illegal immigrants without papers (like failed asylum applicants) will get free school for children and free health/dental care. Some parts of the country have lots of this.

(Yes, this seems to imply that anyone which can fake not being a Westerner can get free health care in Sweden, if they don't show their passport... Time to brush up on a Russian accent for Americans that need expensive operations? :-) )

Edit: Clarity, some more facts.

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#85

I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-ja... What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. If you are that person, it may difficult to find someone you can trust enough to take over the SaaS startup whilst you are away. Good luck.

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#86
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Get out of the country ASAP. Come to San Francisco. You won't go to jail here for posting pictures. Apply for asylum or whatever later, but get your butt on a plane ASAP.

Why not Texas? Or Iowa? They're all part of the US that is bound by the immigration laws of your country right? What the hell does SF have to do with it?

If only all of the world's persecuted people could move to SF!

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#87
post #81

Here are my thoughts 1. For a period of 3-5 year, I'll proceed with the jail. I think you can have limited Internet access in jail, but this might not be the case in your country. Check with the authorities. Otherwise, proceed by selling your business quickly and put the money is a safe index fund. With a 5% return, over 5 year, this means 27% return. 2. If the period is hilariously long, like 20 years, I'll advise y…

1) Nope. I wasn't allowed bail previously, so I was kept in prison for 1 week. I know how it works there. No internet, and phone is very expensive and limited to 10 minutes a week and for only 5 preset numbers.

2) Definitely considered that, and it doesn't even have to be 20 years for me to consider that. 2 years is long enough for me.

3) I'm sorry, do you have the link?

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#88
As a former Muslim atheist, Jesus Christ!

Assuming there's nothing you can do to escape your pending jail term, I would suggest getting your legal person to draw up some sort of agreement where someone can run the business and keep the profits in your stead. This will have to be someone you trust as no matter how good the contract, the potential downside for you is huge. You could structure it as selling the company with an option to buy it back at the sale price when you get out of jail.

This sucks so hard. As an openly atheist ex-muslim, I'm permanently striking Indonesia, Malaysia and more or less any other predominantly muslim country off my lifetime travel itenerary. If they'll throw you in jail for some snarky photos, my head rolling into a bucket isn't a great stretch if the imagination.

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#89
#if you are in for >5-7 years, forget ur startup, handover 50% stake to best guy you can find and focus on legal troubles.

#if it is only few months, and your customers value ur service, be as honest with them as you can, create a forum for them to help each other, get some friend/family to pitch in.

#little tricky for inbetween, you'll need a dedicated guy to work on it, he'll expect a substantial share, so you can just hope for best to find a talented/honest guy.

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#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You won't go to jail here for posting pictures. Sorry to be pedantic but there are a lot of pictures you can post in the US that will get you sent to jail.

Cartoons I think we are referring to.

"Religiously-insensitive photographs" the OP said.

If The Onion didn't get in trouble for this one, then the US is safe. Cartoon, not safe for work.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-...

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