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Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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My TLDR on this is that it all basically went haywire when MIT IS&T decided to call MIT Police for a machine downloading content on their network. They screwed up in many ways after that, but once someone unleashed a politically ambitious US Attorney on the case, it was kind of a lost cause.

I don't believe universities should have police departments (or really that any private organizations should have police departments, or even quasi-government organizations like transit agencies). University police essentially exist to cover up rapes on campus. In general they're underresourced and get used in a weird "quasi insider" role.

I don't think a competent IS&T would have gone directly to the Cambridge police if there were no MIT police. The "oh no, China!" thing is BS; traffic analysis would show that the china logins were (presumably) ssh portscans and not real connections. Basic network monitoring would show that this was just a badly written scraper and not anything more malicious. Odds would be that it was a MIT student scraping, and calling the cops on a MIT student for scraping a resource like that would have been bogus, too.

I love how MIT tries to pin blame on their budgetary cutbacks and staff furloughs, too.

I also think aaronsw was a moron in several ways (not rate limiting, not treating the box as a throwaway encrypted box, general behavior, and ultimately killing himself), but I'm more willing to cut a 24 year old slack than a multi-billion dollar endowment university which claims to be at the forefront of science.

Today I'm kind of sad I dropped out of MIT to do a startup, because it means I can't burn my diploma and promise to never donate to MIT. Oh well.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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This report is necessarily missing important information: MIT is still intervening in a Wired reporter's FOIA request. You don't bother to block an information release unless something important would be released; that doesn't pass the smell test. Here's a statement from Swartz's partner: http://tarensk.tumblr.com/post/56881327662/mit-report-is-a-w...

I have no reason to believe the authors aren't honest people who worked hard and firmly believe what they wrote, BTW.

But they're also members of the MIT community, and Abelson at least is a professor first and investigator second; that's going to affect the investigation process and conclusion.

That's why when there are big investigations in government, they often go hire an outsider as inspector general or independent counsel; there's no substitute for independence, complete access, and an investigator's skills and mindset.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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post #21

My TLDR on this is that it all basically went haywire when MIT IS&T decided to call MIT Police for a machine downloading content on their network. They screwed up in many ways after that, but once someone unleashed a politically ambitious US Attorney on the case, it was kind of a lost cause. I don't believe universities should have police departments (or really that any private organizations should have police depart…

The effectiveness of a police force is due in part to its proximity and daily interactions with its constituents...police departments that place some value on foot patrols, for example, tend to find that voluntary cooperation from citizens increases...as opposed to departments that just swoop in from time to time in paramilitary gear.

Moreover, while all police have, in theory, the ability to enforce the complete city code, most departments have specialized departments: vice, homicide, burglary, etc., because it's simply more efficient to have a police officer who knows their section of enforcement really well (as well as being able to develop sources specific to that beat)

Cutting out a campus police force means that the people who respond to campus infractions would be police force accustomed to dealing with city crime. This isn't such a bad thing when the crime is something like homicide, serious assault, or rape...but assuming that the majority of incidents involve noise/party infractions, curfew violations, and trespassing, I think it's doubtful that the city police would be the ideal officials to take on these calls. If anything, the city police would just end up having another department specialize in campus crime, and these cops would probably be lower tier cops...which, again, is probably not going to make campus life particularly fun.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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The number of people in this comment thread who have not read this report in detail is outstandingly large. It is a 100+ page document and I've been reading it for longer than this link has been active and I still haven't finished reviewing finely enough to comment intelligently on the contents.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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post #24
post #21

My TLDR on this is that it all basically went haywire when MIT IS&T decided to call MIT Police for a machine downloading content on their network. They screwed up in many ways after that, but once someone unleashed a politically ambitious US Attorney on the case, it was kind of a lost cause. I don't believe universities should have police departments (or really that any private organizations should have police depart…

The effectiveness of a police force is due in part to its proximity and daily interactions with its constituents...police departments that place some value on foot patrols, for example, tend to find that voluntary cooperation from citizens increases...as opposed to departments that just swoop in from time to time in paramilitary gear. Moreover, while all police have, in theory, the ability to enforce the complete cit…

Non-criminal complaints on campus could be handled by something other than police with guns. If someone is a tenant in a university-owned building, it's pretty reasonable to sign some kind of agreement to not violate rules egregiously; the ultimate sanction of eviction and expulsion should be enough for things short of serious crimes (which would be better addressed by "real" police).

MIT police seem to have become a lot more "police-like", especially with respect to creative forms of trespassing, during the previous administration.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that kind of stuff is all over the report. We note that no one from MIT called the Secret Service. The MIT Police contacted the Cambridge detective by calling him on his individual cell phone. The special agent became involved because he accompanied the Cambridge detective. Things just magically fall together. The MITs neutrality apparently extends so far that they don't even bother with what kind of police for…

> The MITs neutrality apparently extends so far that they > don't even bother with what kind of police forces are > strolling around on campus. Inter-agency task forces have become common in American law enforcement since 9/11. Many people have multiple affiliations. For example, I have a friend that is part of the New England Electronic Crimes Task Force. He's a Secret Service agent and does Secret Service details.…

> Inter-agency task forces have become common in American law enforcement since 9/11.

Still, you call for a Cambridge detective, the Secret Service also shows up, and that doesn't cause major head scratching? I wish the summary had expanded on that part.

FD: I'm an alum.

Edit: From the report:

For the same reasons, the MIT Police sought forensic assistance from a detective in the Cambridge Police Department who had expertise in computer crime and with whom they had worked repeatedly in the past. The Cambridge detective, who was a member of the New England Electronic Crimes Task Force, responded to the call, accompanied by an agent of the U.S. Secret Service. While the inclusion of the Secret Service agent was not the intention of MIT, it was a recognized possibility. It was not until a few days later, when Aaron Swartz was arrested, that MIT learned the identity of the person involved in the JSTOR downloading. Thus, we find that MIT did not focus on Aaron Swartz at any time during its own investigation of the events that led to his arrest, and that MIT did not intentionally “call in the feds” to take over the investigation.

So it wasn't MIT's intention to "hand it over to the feds" but it was indeed a recognized possibility that the feds would get involved when the request was made.

The summary would be improved if that were included.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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Direct link to the report, good summary starts on page 13: http://swartz-report.mit.edu/docs/report-to-the-president.pd....

My very general impression from reading the "key findings" is that the report seems to me to invoke naiveté, an image academic institutions very carefully cultivate. But for the institution as a whole, that's pretense. MIT is a big business, a multi-billion business, and invoking naiveté on its part is wholly disingenuous. And ultimately that's the problem with this report. It's written by a professor, and you can't fault him for invoking that academic naiveté in good faith. Administrative officials assiduously avoid exposing faculty to the dirty realities of the machines that are modern academic institutions. Had the report been issued by the Office of the President itself, the conclusions would have rung hollow and rightly so.

Re: MIT releases report on its actions in the Aaron Swartz case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effectiveness of a police force is due in part to its proximity and daily interactions with its constituents...police departments that place some value on foot patrols, for example, tend to find that voluntary cooperation from citizens increases...as opposed to departments that just swoop in from time to time in paramilitary gear. Moreover, while all police have, in theory, the ability to enforce the complete cit…

Non-criminal complaints on campus could be handled by something other than police with guns. If someone is a tenant in a university-owned building, it's pretty reasonable to sign some kind of agreement to not violate rules egregiously; the ultimate sanction of eviction and expulsion should be enough for things short of serious crimes (which would be better addressed by "real" police). MIT police seem to have become a…

I can't speak for MIT's police, but at my campus, campus police were not armed with guns and had just started debating the use of Tasers...so, I agree with you.

I'd also argue that having campus police is not mutually exclusive of fostering the creative mischief that you mention...in fact, I'd argue that having campus police is the best way to maintain that creative mischief. Again, a police close to its constituents learns (ideally) the give and take and the pulse of the people it serves. A well-managed MIT police force could handle all the calls that are made by well-intentioned people, but come in knowing a likelihood of how much caution to take...whereas if you leave it to the Boston police force, who knows how familiar that officer is with said kind of call in that particular part of campus. An effectively managed campus police force can help keep things de-escalated.

Whether that's happening at MIT is beyond the scope of this argument, but I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily either-or

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