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First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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I was always told that new planes were so expensive because manufacturers had to tack on a huge amount to the price for expected lawsuits.

What I thought was original in this approach was how can you sue the manufacturer of a kit plane over its design if it's open source? Course lawyers will surely try so it has to be tested in court first.

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#32

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This comment misses the point and doesn't compare apples with apples. This is a 2 seat aircraft designed to operate in the Light Sport category which is very different from an Ultralight. Light Sport aircraft cost $70k and up.

You can purchase a Cessna 150 for under $15k. And that's not a light sport.

You should also point out that's a 20 year old Cessna 150.

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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For those unfamiliar with planes, you can buy a used ultralite plane for under $10,000 in working condition. Something that has been proven to fly reliably.

Or you could buy a certified cessna 150 for $15k. Much less likely to kill you or have an engine failure. Anyway this isn't really anything new. You can already build your own plane from plans, and the plans only cost about $100 (a very small portion of the cost of building): http://www.quickheads.com/index.php?option=com_ixxocart&Item...

In fairness it should be mentioned that the first Cessna 150 was made in 1951 and the last was built in the mid-70s so we are not talking about "late model" aircraft by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can purchase a Cessna 150 for under $15k. And that's not a light sport.

You should also point out that's a 20 year old Cessna 150.

The last Cessna 150 was made in 1977 so it would be at least 35 years old.

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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post #34

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You should also point out that's a 20 year old Cessna 150.

The last Cessna 150 was made in 1977 so it would be at least 35 years old.

And so what! The engine certainly would be more modern. I just had some excellent fun flying in a Piper Cub on Sunday, it's about 3 times my age. Planes are not like cars, entire chunks of them are replaced on a regular basis materials prone to rust and similar corrosion aren't normally used.

It was my first time flying such a primitive old plane and honestly I hadn't had such fun since my first solo. I was walking round with such a grin.

Old planes aren't bad at all. They are tried and tested, meanwhile this design doesn't exactly look as modern as a Diamond or similar cheap to run glider-come-airplane so it's hard to be excited in all honesty.

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Cessna 150 was made in 1977 so it would be at least 35 years old.

And so what! The engine certainly would be more modern. I just had some excellent fun flying in a Piper Cub on Sunday, it's about 3 times my age. Planes are not like cars, entire chunks of them are replaced on a regular basis materials prone to rust and similar corrosion aren't normally used. It was my first time flying such a primitive old plane and honestly I hadn't had such fun since my first solo. I was walking r…

Agreed. It's amazing the conditions of some of the Cessna's that come in to where I work... It's often insanely difficult to tell how old it is just by looking at it (Though not every aircraft is taken care of the same).

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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I think it refers to the Hunter S. Thompson quote: "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Basically meaning you may be getting in over your head, but you'll probably have a good story to tell if you don't end up dead. Similar to the idiom, "in for a penny, in for a pound."

I'm more inclined to think they were drawing a comparison between buying a ticket to ride a plane vs placing a bounty on a ticket/bug to be fixed.

I'm inclined to agree with you. The bounty part of it didn't cross my mind.

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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This is great, I've been wanting to get into aviation for some time but the barrier of entry is steep. Using their plans as a guideline for building an ultralight instead of a light sport aircraft would reduce the cost dramatically. Ultralights have much lower limits but don't require any formal training/licenses. In the end you could probably build an ultralight for the cost of a pilots license.

Why not paragliding?

Re: First Open Source Airplane Could Cost Just $15,000

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post #25

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This comment misses the point and doesn't compare apples with apples. This is a 2 seat aircraft designed to operate in the Light Sport category which is very different from an Ultralight. Light Sport aircraft cost $70k and up.

There are reasons why LSAs cost $70k. They're not looking to fly anything until 2015, and that's lots of time for reality to seep in. I wouldn't be surprised if they discovered that $15k was optimistic by a factor of about 5....

You can buy a recent Quad City Challenger kit for much less than that, and even fully assembled by someone else you're looking in the $30k range http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_City_Challenger#cite_note-...

I'm assuming they're planning on making it a partial kit, and if you're expected to 3d print some of the parts $15k for "other" supplies (mostly avionics and engine) sounds pretty reasonable to me.

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