You should try to stream live content from twitch.tv. Pretty much everyone complains about how bad their service is, and twitch has been very clear that they're doing everything they can but that it mostly comes down to these deals with the big Internet infrastructure guys.
Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break online video
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Providing internet service requires a lot of physical infrastructure, e.g. cables run to every home, all the attendant routing and switching gear, a fleet of trucks and maintenance workers available 24/7, etc. Right now the ISPs (phone and/or cable company) provides this. Are you saying that the physical infrastructure should be separated from the ISP function? Who owns the physical infrastructure then?
The public (ie, local or state government). Like the roads. Like the sewers. Like (some) power lines. Like the phone and coax lines (depending on time period, they have passed between private and public owners, but were always state subsidized in their deployment).
I'd rather deal with some shitty ISPs and some good ones than be forced to use a single shitty government ISP for the rest of my life.
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#33This is just one of the many fights surrounding net neutrality. We desperately need to break up ISP monopolies and enact strict net neutrality regulation and bandwidth (even latency/routing) guarantees. The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre. By any basic reasoning, an ISP that doesn't enable access to YouTube should be out of customers within a few months. Tha…
Your ISP wanting money to install caching servers for Netflix and YouTube is not something which has been covered ny net neutrality in the past. It would be great if there was a fixed colo fee for caching servers. That said, I pay my ISP for bandwidth and service. It's bullshit if they refuse free installation of caching servers which improves my service and frees up upstream bandwidth for others.
>It would be great if there was a fixed colo fee for caching servers.
Great for whom? Legally mandated fixed fee services are generally not the highest in customer satisfaction.
Re: Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break online video
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Providing internet service requires a lot of physical infrastructure, e.g. cables run to every home, all the attendant routing and switching gear, a fleet of trucks and maintenance workers available 24/7, etc. Right now the ISPs (phone and/or cable company) provides this. Are you saying that the physical infrastructure should be separated from the ISP function? Who owns the physical infrastructure then?
The public (ie, local or state government). Like the roads. Like the sewers. Like (some) power lines. Like the phone and coax lines (depending on time period, they have passed between private and public owners, but were always state subsidized in their deployment).
The "public" doesn't own anything. You can demonstrate that by trying to sell your share of the thing you supposedly own.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Providing internet service requires a lot of physical infrastructure, e.g. cables run to every home, all the attendant routing and switching gear, a fleet of trucks and maintenance workers available 24/7, etc. Right now the ISPs (phone and/or cable company) provides this. Are you saying that the physical infrastructure should be separated from the ISP function? Who owns the physical infrastructure then?
The public (ie, local or state government). Like the roads. Like the sewers. Like (some) power lines. Like the phone and coax lines (depending on time period, they have passed between private and public owners, but were always state subsidized in their deployment).
That's what's they've started to do here in Australia. Government owns the new lines (FTTH), wholesale to ISPs who then compete with services.
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#36Here I was cursing my ISP for ridiculous connection but I should have been cursing them for entirely different reasons! What is the use of taking costly high speed plans when the sites that require high speed (youtube, other video streaming) are still going to be slow?
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#37While it may be true that there are some outstanding ISP issues that lead to slow internet, I think the more pressing issue is the behaviour of the new(ish) youtube player acting erratic. For instance, you cannot fully load a video anymore, it will only load a portion as you continue watching. If you wish to rewind the video, for some reason youtube will want you to rebuffer the entire from where you have rewinded to…
> you cannot fully load a video anymore, it will only load a portion as you continue watching
I noticed that they introduced this feature around the same time they removed the right-click option to stop downloading the video.
Re: Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break online video
#38This is just one of the many fights surrounding net neutrality. We desperately need to break up ISP monopolies and enact strict net neutrality regulation and bandwidth (even latency/routing) guarantees. The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre. By any basic reasoning, an ISP that doesn't enable access to YouTube should be out of customers within a few months. Tha…
> The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre.
why is this bizarre?
Re: Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break online video
#39This is just one of the many fights surrounding net neutrality. We desperately need to break up ISP monopolies and enact strict net neutrality regulation and bandwidth (even latency/routing) guarantees. The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre. By any basic reasoning, an ISP that doesn't enable access to YouTube should be out of customers within a few months. Tha…
> The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre. why is this bizarre?
Because given that practice continues, and is accepted, we could find ourselves in a position where making a website now requires a regional fee to the ISP guild.
Re: Why YouTube buffers: The secret deals that make and break online video
#40This is just one of the many fights surrounding net neutrality. We desperately need to break up ISP monopolies and enact strict net neutrality regulation and bandwidth (even latency/routing) guarantees. The idea that a single ISP is in a position to charge both YouTube and its customers is bizarre. By any basic reasoning, an ISP that doesn't enable access to YouTube should be out of customers within a few months. Tha…
Google is publishing data on the quality of operators: https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=e9krd11m38onf_&...
Besides, one nitpick: the Google News story was in Belgium, not in France.