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Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #171

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That's not anyone's problem, but it also can't be an argument. When I say taxes are theft and people say I can always leave, they should realize there's nowhere to leave. So you're basically saying: "suck it up and pay and learn to call it taxation instead of theft to make yourself feel better about it. If you disagree, you can go let some other country rob you or go to jail." So yeah, great argument you have.

You don't have an argument -- you have an axiom that claims that taxes are theft. Pretty much everyone else disagrees. So are you going to leave or just keep whining like a 5 year old that you can't get your own way?

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Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #171

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That's not anyone's problem, but it also can't be an argument. When I say taxes are theft and people say I can always leave, they should realize there's nowhere to leave. So you're basically saying: "suck it up and pay and learn to call it taxation instead of theft to make yourself feel better about it. If you disagree, you can go let some other country rob you or go to jail." So yeah, great argument you have.

You don't have an argument -- you have an axiom that claims that taxes are theft. Pretty much everyone else disagrees. So are you going to leave or just keep whining like a 5 year old that you can't get your own way?

Well, then don't you have an axiom that taxes are not theft? Simply because most people agree with you doesn't mean you are right and moral and I am not. Would you call slavery moral? Yet throughout most of the human history, most people had no problem with it. Those who realized it was immoral either kept quiet or were persecuted.

Next you will probably tell me: but how can you compare taxation to slavery? Well, both are done by human beings to other humans against their will because the majority implicitly agrees. In both cases, if a person resists, he is punished. Tell me, how is it moral? The only difference is the degree to which the freedom is restricted and fruits of labour are confiscated. If you believe a person made his money in a dishonest way, it is justified that this person is tried and convicted. However, if you agree a person made his money honestly, by benefiting other people and creating value, what moral right on earth do you have to take any of his earned money for any purpose? He didn't rob anyone, he created value, out of nothing. Not you, not any other person has any moral right to confiscate any part of it.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #182

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So the question remains: would you personally come to my house to cease it and explain to my kids that they are now homeless because their daddy simply disagrees with what you think is right and refuses to pay to people you believe are good?

>because their daddy simply disagrees with what you think is right and refuses to pay to people you believe are good? I'd leave out this part. edit: or to be clear, I'd be as likely to say that as I would be to say to the children of a burglar, "I'm arresting your father because he wanted you to have nice things."

That's an interesting twist. You're basically calling me a burglar, even though it is you who intends to take my money away from me.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #197

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If there was a 0% tax in Monaco, there would be no way to fund public healthcare. In reality, employers are required to contribute to the CSM (Caisses Sociales de Monaco) for each employee. That's a tax.

Oh, so not just less tax than your current situation, but 0% tax. Well, you could live on a boat in international waters, or renounce the use of all forms of currency and live on pure barter, however you seem to be asking for a state that cannot raise revenue. There are some of them around the world, but you might want to hire a small military detail if you want to live there, as funnily enough they have a few securi…

What's so vital about a state that people can't do on their own? What does a state magically accomplish that no one else can?

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #212

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You don't have an argument -- you have an axiom that claims that taxes are theft. Pretty much everyone else disagrees. So are you going to leave or just keep whining like a 5 year old that you can't get your own way?

Well, then don't you have an axiom that taxes are not theft? Simply because most people agree with you doesn't mean you are right and moral and I am not. Would you call slavery moral? Yet throughout most of the human history, most people had no problem with it. Those who realized it was immoral either kept quiet or were persecuted. Next you will probably tell me: but how can you compare taxation to slavery? Well, bot…

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Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #214

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Oh, so not just less tax than your current situation, but 0% tax. Well, you could live on a boat in international waters, or renounce the use of all forms of currency and live on pure barter, however you seem to be asking for a state that cannot raise revenue. There are some of them around the world, but you might want to hire a small military detail if you want to live there, as funnily enough they have a few securi…

What's so vital about a state that people can't do on their own? What does a state magically accomplish that no one else can?

> What's so vital about a state that people can't do on their own?

A state is just a name for people accomplishing certain things on their own; its not actually a real thing with independent existence.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #199

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I'm mostly glad to see a lot of reasonable responses to this. This attitude is one of the reasons why so many people have such terrible experiences calling in to companies. I'm talking about companies that have nothing to do with real life emergencies and life threatening consequences. Management tends to think "they just answer phones, so we can hire anyone, put them through a week of training and bam, they should b…

This attitude is one of the reasons why so many people have such terrible experiences calling in to companies...Management tends to think "they just answer phones, so we can hire anyone, put them through a week of training and bam, they should be good to go, right?" You've missed the mark pretty terribly on this. The reason why so many people have such terrible experiences calling in to companies is because of substa…

Well, I did say "one of the reasons", but you're rights that it as implicit that was the main reason. I also should have prefaced that this has been my own personal experience in call centers.

What you're saying is definitely a problem in some (maybe most) call centers. Companies tend to see call centers as places where money goes to die, instead of a potential treasure trove of information about their customers and what's going wrong or right with their strategies. I think that does lead to what you're talking about. Everything becomes about low balling the customer. If they have a return, you try to give them ten bucks to keep it. If they think the item is broken, you tell them why it's normal for the item to be that way. I'll be the first to admit that I underplay that portion because my financial situation is fairly good and I'd leave a company that acted that way. It's misguided and doesn't do anything for building your brand.

I'd take that a step further, though, and say that your scenario suffers from another big problem. Some call centers place a huge priority on wrote scripting and the customer ends up feeling like they never stopped talking to the IVR. Some reps can put life into a script, but most can't, and you end up with a really sterile, impersonal experience that screams "you're a statistic to us."

My personal experience has been, the more you can let your reps drop the script, the higher your CSAT/NPS scores will climb (obviously to a point). Of course, people have guidelines, but I tend to think most of those go too far. If you're in a brick and mortar retail shop, you don't usually have someone hiding behind a shelf marking down whether or not you used the customers name 2.3 times during the interaction. And I should mention that this is going to change depending on the type of business. An e-commerce site processing a return isn't going to be quite as mired in legal scripting as a financial institution laying out the terms of a loan.

As a final note, I'll get back to the 911 operator context. Yes, the article is written in a way to elicit a response. I'm not going to hold it up the standards of a well-respected peer-reviewed journal article. I still absolutely think you're wrong with that one, for a lot of reasons others have spoken on. It's not in any way implausible or hyperbolic to think a 911 call center would take two months to adequately train a rep, especially if they're using fairly standard training practices.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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A little more complicated than that :). So Here's a brief overview of what we're doing and why we're doing it this way. Asterisk doesn't scale without a lot of cruft and it's not accessible. At the high end of the market there's only gigantic switches from companies like Cisco/Alcatel etc; and those are $$$. So we see a market space inbetween cheapo asterisk and high-end cisco. The crux of what we're doing is a lot o…

Blergh, Kamailio. Will it scale down to a Raspberry Pi? I realise I'm completely not your target market but I need something that does VoIP better than my router does it.

We ran openSIPS before but we found the pace of development to be higher on Kamailio in general. Plus most of our customers are running it instead of openSIPS.

We're currently trying to build the world's smallest cluster; seven raspberry pi's will hopefully support 100 phone calls or so with no single point of failure.

If you're looking for something single server you want freeswitch by itself. That thing is a beast if you just want call processing and don't need carrier grade reliability. We made a frontend called BlueBox which is a very popular distribution; we're revamping it for Cluecon (hopefully we'll have it out by then) so if you're going to try this I'd recommend waiting until the new version comes out.

Lastly, there's a lot of research going on at FreeSWITCH about running it by itself on the Pi. I believe it is workable now, you'll probably find a bunch of info with a quick google search.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #205

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Sprint as two networks right now. One is the legacy iDen network they acquired in the Nextel deal, the other is their Sprint/Clearwire 4G WiMAX/LTE monstrosity. The iDen network is basically analog, so transactions like presence and push to talk are binary and the state is always transmittable. The same cannot be said of IP. This is a problem we've spent a lot of time working on and I can guarantee none of the Big Te…

> The iDen network is basically analog, You mean the Integrated Digital Enhanced Network is analog, wait what? The actual problem why noone has come up with a solid way to support PTT on cell phones other than iDEN phones is because iDEN is a rare breed of radio system called a Cellular Trunked Radio System, it was designed to provide a trunked radio system that could scale to large footprints. Unfortunately it never…

Well, that was an epic education. I feel rather foolish, but I really appreciate you taking the time to help correct my mistake :). I'm not as well-versed as I should be on wireless tech :/.

That's really interesting; could you possibly recommend some additional resources where I could read further. Something beyond the wikipedia entries? Thanks again!!

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #212

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You don't have an argument -- you have an axiom that claims that taxes are theft. Pretty much everyone else disagrees. So are you going to leave or just keep whining like a 5 year old that you can't get your own way?

Well, then don't you have an axiom that taxes are not theft? Simply because most people agree with you doesn't mean you are right and moral and I am not. Would you call slavery moral? Yet throughout most of the human history, most people had no problem with it. Those who realized it was immoral either kept quiet or were persecuted. Next you will probably tell me: but how can you compare taxation to slavery? Well, bot…

You agree to the taxation by using the currency of a tax raising organisation whose stability, and therefore the stability of the currency you own, depends on that organisation being able to defend territory and keep a stable economy running in that territory, which takes resources which in that system then requires some of the currency it created.

If you want to create an alternative economic system that requires no physical territory or external inputs to enable it to run and therefore can exist without taxation, then feel free.

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