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Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by tempestn »

gilgoomesh wrote: post #49
danmaz74 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to imply that claim 1 has anything, and I mean anything , inventive? BTW this was filed in 2011, not in 1996...

I'm not aware of any existing examples of websites that let you pay for comment bling on individual comments, letting you preview your bling to get the style you prefer as described in section (b) of claim 1. So yes, it does seem novel (which is different to "inventive" but is the criteria required for patents). There are plenty of comment engines that offer avatars or paid subscriber adornments but few of these are…

The idea doesn't need to be radically different, but it does need to be non-obvious.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by rst »

michaelhoffman wrote: post #6

This is another example of a patent with a specific scope being given an incredibly broad title. This patent is actually on selling web site commenters the ability to have their comment appear in some kind of distinctive format, which might be a different font, or it might be appearing before the other comments.

Like the way Livejournal lets users with paid accounts choose which userpic appears next to a comment? I believe they've been doing this for years...

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by smartician »

What I find confusing: This is not a technical invention. It's not a device or process. And where is the "inventive step"?

It's a monetization strategy, and not a particularly clever one at that. Since when is the idea of charging money for something a patentable invention? Absurd.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by kn0thing »

jivatmanx wrote: post #18

"A man has a right to use a saw, an axe, a plane, separately; may he not combine their uses on the same piece of wood? He has a right to use his knife to cut his meat, a fork to hold it; may a patentee take from him the right to combine their use on the same subject? Such a law, instead of enlarging our conveniences, as was intended, would most fearfully abridge them, and crowd us by monopolies out of the use of the…

In researching my forthcoming book, Without Their Permission, I found a great letter from Jefferson that went so far as to consider putting limits in the Bill of Rights: "Monopolies may be allowed to persons for their own productions in literature and their own inventions in the arts for a term not exceeding__years but for no longer term and no other purpose."

Letter to James Madison, August 28, 1789 http://www.founding.com/founders_library/pageID.2184/default...

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by gcb0 »

kn0thing wrote: post #65
jivatmanx wrote: post #18

"A man has a right to use a saw, an axe, a plane, separately; may he not combine their uses on the same piece of wood? He has a right to use his knife to cut his meat, a fork to hold it; may a patentee take from him the right to combine their use on the same subject? Such a law, instead of enlarging our conveniences, as was intended, would most fearfully abridge them, and crowd us by monopolies out of the use of the…

In researching my forthcoming book, Without Their Permission, I found a great letter from Jefferson that went so far as to consider putting limits in the Bill of Rights: "Monopolies may be allowed to persons for their own productions in literature and their own inventions in the arts for a term not exceeding__years but for no longer term and no other purpose." Letter to James Madison, August 28, 1789 http://www.found…

Those letters are quaint and all, but unless ratified in laws are off topic.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by dangrossman »

md224 wrote: post #54

Interesting how much of the commentary here is on the patent being silly, rather than the implications of the monetization technique that the patent describes. We are allowing people to pay a fee to have their expression privileged over others. We are monetizing the salience of information, a betrayal of the very spirit of the Internet (or, at the least, the techno-utopian ideal of the Internet). So yeah, patents are…

If you're troubled by the idea of some private website ranking comments by payment, something they can do whether this patent exists or not, you should be happy that patenting one process for doing so makes it more (difficult|expensive) for future sites to do that.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by gcb0 »

charonn0 wrote: post #13
michaelhoffman wrote: post #6

This is another example of a patent with a specific scope being given an incredibly broad title. This patent is actually on selling web site commenters the ability to have their comment appear in some kind of distinctive format, which might be a different font, or it might be appearing before the other comments.

Still doesn't seem like a very novel idea worthy of a patent.

It's not. Prior art is newspaper advertisement. You can't patent something as new just because it's done with a computer, as everyone knows.

I bet this will be invalidated as soon as someone tries to enforce it. Easily.

But this viral market attempt suggest they will try to get money from some sucker troll before, which I'm all for.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by saraid216 »

chris_wot wrote: post #40
michaelhoffman wrote: post #6

This is another example of a patent with a specific scope being given an incredibly broad title. This patent is actually on selling web site commenters the ability to have their comment appear in some kind of distinctive format, which might be a different font, or it might be appearing before the other comments.

Specific scope? Like hell! This could apply to any Internet content.

It's a far, far smaller scope than "Making money on the internet". Which would imply, for instance, eBay or World of Warcraft. Neither of those cases could be considered prior art for this.

Re: Patent US8296192 – Method for making money on the internet

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Post by saraid216 »

charonn0 wrote: post #13
michaelhoffman wrote: post #6

This is another example of a patent with a specific scope being given an incredibly broad title. This patent is actually on selling web site commenters the ability to have their comment appear in some kind of distinctive format, which might be a different font, or it might be appearing before the other comments.

Still doesn't seem like a very novel idea worthy of a patent.

I think the novel part of it is the on-posting-comment payment. Which I certainly haven't seen implemented anywhere.
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