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Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #109

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To where? To another country which is going to tax me the same or more?

How is that anyone here's problem? Don't like it -- you can leave. Where you go is your business.

That's not anyone's problem, but it also can't be an argument. When I say taxes are theft and people say I can always leave, they should realize there's nowhere to leave. So you're basically saying: "suck it up and pay and learn to call it taxation instead of theft to make yourself feel better about it. If you disagree, you can go let some other country rob you or go to jail." So yeah, great argument you have.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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I see Windows blue taskbar on the photo. HOW ITS POSSIBLE TO RUN SUCH IMPORTANT SYSTEM ON THE F G WINDOWS??????? Answer me please!

I hate to break this to you, but airplane systems, medical systems, banking systems, fuel pump systems and a lot of other systems all run on Windows.

Now why they wonder of these problems? I'm old Unix user btw.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #46

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When I was freelancing, I did some government work. I was flabbergasted by the slow pace at which things moved, and that I had to create accounts in 3 separate systems to submit and get paid for even very basic invoices. Government is a place that is ripe for disruption, but the walls around it are so high, I don't know how to really breach them. There is a huge machine in place of contractors and lobbyists which ess…

Large scale disruption is impossible because the government and its employees are protected by guns and the force of law, permitting special interests, cronyism, and incompetence to flourish. We in the marketplace (minus Industrial Military Complex) have no such protections, and actually have to produce value to make a living in a fair exchange of goods and services. Most government employees are unemployable in the…

> Most government employees are unemployable in the marketplace, so it's in their interest to follow orders, at whatever cost, to keep their jobs.

My anectodal observation is that this may be true for some individuals, this could be said of any large institution. I encountered many capable and intelligent individuals in my time contracting for the government.

The problem I see more has to do with the legal mandates in place, and the labyrinth of regulation and processes. Unless you are quite savvy to how the machine works, it's nearly impossible to get a contract. And the steps to learning how to navigate these processes is pretty lengthy and would make even the most resilient individual completely jaded with the whole thing. Finding a way to unwind the over-regulation in place seems to me to be the only way this market can be opened to true competition.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #154

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The supposed advantage of a hodgepodge is that somewhere the right approach has been tried and is working well, and pressure will mount on cities with inferior systems to either match or adopt the better systems. Where, if anywhere, is 911 being done well, and how slowly or quickly will the successful approaches spread? Do you think this dynamic will lead to places like New York having faster and more reliable 911 sy…

911 isn't being done well anywhere IMHO. If you look at the way 911 works, there's no location information unless you use the cellular radio (and this assumes your carrier is using the cell tower to anchor your location). If you use IP to call, let's say via an application like RingCentral, how does the 911 service know whether you're in San Francisco or New York? It doesn't. This isn't pie in the sky fantasy, this i…

Taking for granted that VoIP location information is an unsolved problem, what about systems that are simply fast and reliable and don't leave people scrambling for pencil and paper?

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #9

Having been involved in long, arduous government procurement processes, I can assure you that it will leave you shaking your head and wondering how ANYTHING in government gets done. The trip from RFP to signed contract is maddening and has probably driven more than one government worker to an alcoholic stupor, wishing for the sweet embrace of death. On a side note, I'm no longer a government employee. My name is Greg…

When I was freelancing, I did some government work. I was flabbergasted by the slow pace at which things moved, and that I had to create accounts in 3 separate systems to submit and get paid for even very basic invoices. Government is a place that is ripe for disruption, but the walls around it are so high, I don't know how to really breach them. There is a huge machine in place of contractors and lobbyists which ess…

> Government is a place that is ripe for disruption, but the walls around it are so high, I don't know how to really breach them.

I have had this attitude before, but I am not sure it's a healthy way to look at the problem. What you were flabbergasted by was the inefficiency of bureaucracy. But this is not a government problem per se: large companies can also become bureaucracies; large militaries tend to have similar tiering and divisions to bureaucracies. I think we sometimes think of bureaucracy acausally -- "it's just always been that way, it always will" -- when the truth seems more subtle: something like "bureaucracy is a scaling choice."

I really think that bureaucracies are born as a sort of divide-and-conquer approach to scaling a social system. So it's something like an O(n * log n) total overhead, where n is some abstract quantity of resources; and what you see on-the-ground when interacting with the government is (overhead)/(resource), which grows like O(log n). And it seems to have unbelievable overhead just because n is very large. The pain point which drives this scaling choice is probably free-rider problems. If you can't address free-rider problems, then the potential exploiters grow at least linearly with the number of resources you command, and your scaling is O(n^2) at best. So maybe in some sense bureaucratic solutions are "efficient" -- as crazy as that sounds.

In other words, if you ask "Why do people get shackled by these strict rules?", there are two tones (meanings) you might intend: one is despair ("surely we can do better!") the other is curious ("really, I want to know why that rule is in place!"). Usually the curious tone reveals some sort of free-rider threat. That nice guy who drives the schoolbus is constrained by bureaucracy; he can't hug or praise a student who tells him that she's feeling sad today because kids are picking on her for her perceived smartness; he must act as a robot driver. But why do those rules exist? Probably due to a fear of predators who might become able to lurk in the blurred lines. And the fear of predators is created by the scale of the school-system, which makes it hard for the human discretion of administrators to protect the system from having pockets of abuse without spending even more money than bureaucracy would cost.

Don't get me wrong, if an alternative system of government can do O(n), I'd love to see how it deals with free-riders. I'm really interested in crypto-anarchism. I'm just cautioning you that maybe the status-quo -- which yes, at this scale involves big companies with political connections paralyzing the process -- protects against a lot of people just running off with the money in exchange for the government-contract equivalent of vaporware.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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post #149

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Based on my experience, agreed entirely. I've worked with stellar people at multiple large and small government contractors. The structure of the contract just doesn't lead to a mentality of "let's make something great", but rather "lets get these boxes checked".

The structure of the contract just doesn't lead to a mentality of "let's make something great"... This mentality is probably true for most systems that are built for the internal use of an organization rather than as a product that has to compete on the open market. For example, software built by IT departments for use inside large corporations is notoriously badly designed and hard to use.

I think it depends on the organization and how many hands in the mix... If you have one or two stake holders and one person taking charge of the direction of development, it can come out pretty well.

On the flip side it isn't always management.. I've seen developers create forms that should be simple with really weird layouts on screen that make absolutely no sense at all.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

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I see Windows blue taskbar on the photo. HOW ITS POSSIBLE TO RUN SUCH IMPORTANT SYSTEM ON THE F G WINDOWS??????? Answer me please!

I hate to break this to you, but airplane systems, medical systems, banking systems, fuel pump systems and a lot of other systems all run on Windows.

Windows should NEVER be used in anything mission critical.

Windows programmers and their 'Just reboot the machine' mindset should NEVER be allowed anywhere near a mission critical application.

Why? Here is your answer, straight from the original article:

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... Intergraph keeps telling us, “Shut your computer down and reboot. It’ll just take a minute.”

How many lives can you lose in a minute? ...

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Re: My hell as a 911 operator

#178
post #134

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> "If a person who led unhealthy lifestyle knowingly requires medical attention" It's interesting how, when this particular viewpoint comes up, the hypothetical individual is always deeply irresponsible, borderline malicious. But the person making the argument never is. > "Now, say I'm a Canadian citizen too: would you give me the same amount of respect and not require me to pay tax money for the things I have no int…

> It's interesting how, when this particular viewpoint comes up, the hypothetical individual is always deeply irresponsible, borderline malicious. But the person making the argument never is. No, I may be the most irresponsible person in the world. The difference is, I'm not asking you or anyone else to pay for it. > No, because this is a fundamental philosophical difference that runs to the core of who we are. I val…

You're going to have a very hard time owning anything in Canada that isn't subject to seizure without paying taxes. So this hypothetical property you'd be trying to protect would cease to be yours.

We don't throw people in jail or point guns at them, and frankly even if you weren't paying income tax you would be paying tons of sales tax that you can't avoid. Worst case scenario you'd be forced into bankruptcy, tax debt is dischargeable up here, unlike in the US.

Re: My hell as a 911 operator

#180
post #163

People always say being an ATC is the most stressful job that you can have. But this sounds worse, even if the system worked properly. Does anyone know starting salaries for air traffic controllers?

$9/hr during training (seriously!), $33K at your first assignment.

Pay follows a "public school teacher" trajectory, or at least like the trejectory in my district. Such that you'll start your career eating ramen and living in your car, but by retirement you'll be hauling in $100K or so.

The FAA workforce is gray. No other way to say it. So you tend to see ridiculous averages like your local TRACON might pay on average $80K. However as a noob you'd only get $30K or so... you need 30 years in to get rich.

Most pilots get to know ATC people for obvious professional reasons. You can probably get interesting anecdotes from a private pilot.

Also more than a few ATC personnel ARE private pilots. Helps to understand the other side of the radio, so to speak.

I am told there is a narrow window where you're "too old" to be an ATC and get mandatory retirement, yet still young enough to be a CFI, and this is where gray haired flight instructors come from. I do not know if this is true or not. In other words mandatory retirement age for CFI > ATC but not by much.

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