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Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by peterkelly »

coldcode wrote: post #3

Hard to imagine cheering something the Russian government does yet here we are. Would you trust your life to them?

This whole episode has really shown the fallacy of US = Good, {Russia, China} = Bad.

If you're an American, this might be a bit hard to understand. But for those who don't hail from any of the above-mentioned countries, it's easier to take a more balanced perspective of each.

I don't think we can really look at any country in specific good/bad terms. I personally applaud Russia's actions on this matter.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by jkestner »

rlpb wrote: post #28
belorn wrote: post #25

> "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history" Is the prism slides really one of the biggest security leaks in the American history, comparable to the Pentagon Papers, the war logs or the diplomatic cables? The prism power point leak looks a bit tiny in comparison. It seems to me as the reason prism get so much media attention, is that it confirmed something everyone already knew but refused to accept.…

AIUI, he didn't leak any actual data. Just metadata. He leaked what information is being collected, rather than any information that actually was collected. Definitely nothing like "one of the biggest security leaks in the American history".

Metadata is data. It's a security leak for the government, not us citizens whose data they're holding.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by JTon »

Alterlife wrote: post #27
ck2 wrote: post #22

Well I guess all the bankers who destroyed our economy for a decade can flea to Russia too. Oh wait, they don't have to flea, no-one is pursuing them and they are gearing up for the next round of destruction since no laws were passed to restrict their behavior. We have great priorities and perspective.

I hate to be that guy... the message of your post is clear, but I think it should be flee and not flea. https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflea https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflee

You just couldn't resist, could you. I'm shocked no regulation has passed to limit the banker's power. And I'm even more shocked none of them spent any time in jail. Seems like they really do own capitol hill

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by Demiurge »

cstejerean wrote: post #26
a3n wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has done spy exchanges. Snowden "is" a spy. When it's to Russia's advantage, they won't hesitate to implement an exchange.

I don't know anything about spy exchanges, but based on the term I would imagine it works the other way: an American spy captured in Russsia would be traded for a Russian spy captured in the US. Do they usually trade defectors too?

Yes, defectors and enemy spies are usually the same thing. It's much more rare that they are 'inserted'.

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Post by Demiurge »

ChikkaChiChi wrote: post #15
nodata wrote: post #6

> said Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov. Hm. Interesting switch. I wonder why.

I found this interesting as well. Putin has developed a reputation for being his own mouthpiece when it comes to anything that helps to further the cult of personality he's built around himself. In other words, I'm shocked Putin had someone else say this instead of having cameras on him while he was shirtless and wrestling a bear for control of the life of a tiger cub.

Because it's not as clearcut positive for him as feeding milk to a siberian tiger cub.

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Post by speeder »

Daishiman wrote: post #21
coldtea wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes. Let's not forget that it's Russia. So? Russia has been a much more malevolent world player than the US.

There's a few hundred million people in Latin America who would disagree with that.

I am from Brazil.

Although I am not much for left-wing politics, I really wish that Russia had more influence here than the US.

And I still keep meeting people that are still looking for people that got "disappeared" by CIA.

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Post by a3n »

cstejerean wrote: post #26
a3n wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has done spy exchanges. Snowden "is" a spy. When it's to Russia's advantage, they won't hesitate to implement an exchange.

I don't know anything about spy exchanges, but based on the term I would imagine it works the other way: an American spy captured in Russsia would be traded for a Russian spy captured in the US. Do they usually trade defectors too?

To put it more generally, it would be for an American spy in Russia for any reason and under their control, for any similar Russian spy in America. Doesn't matter whether the "spies" want to go or not, nor how they got there. The spy exchange would be just window dressing for accomplishing some thing that either or both powers want.

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by user24 »

Alterlife wrote: post #27
ck2 wrote: post #22

Well I guess all the bankers who destroyed our economy for a decade can flea to Russia too. Oh wait, they don't have to flea, no-one is pursuing them and they are gearing up for the next round of destruction since no laws were passed to restrict their behavior. We have great priorities and perspective.

I hate to be that guy... the message of your post is clear, but I think it should be flee and not flea. https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflea https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aflee

What's the difference between a flea and a banker? One is an irritating parasite that feeds off humans. The other is a flea ;)

Re: Russia won’t extradite Snowden to US – Kremlin

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Post by barking »

kalms wrote: post #20
coldtea wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not a cold war per default, when a country refuse to do what the US demands. This is just a conflict of interest. Syria is in Russia's backyard, so of course they'll have opposing viewpoints. They also don't take well to fundamentalists wanting to turn Syria into Afghanistan masquarading as "freedom fighters".

Living in Europe and being engaged to an Israeli, I can definitely relate to that viewpoint.

Do you think Europe is being turned into Afghanistan and what's the relevance of being engaged to an Israeli?
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