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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#121
post #7

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Whistleblowers are frequently viewed by people who disagree with them as whiners, complainers, disgruntled people with axes to grind, and frequently they are all those things, often with nothing more than circumstantial or spurious claims. Not everyone's a Snowden.

> One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

That quote also means that the man is still a terrorist.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#122

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I have a fool-proof way to test your retarded theory: (and I call it retarded only because its the best word in the modern human lexicon to discuss such topics of self-delusion) Why don't we make a non-stop replaying channel of all the ridiculous bullshit propaganda campaign promises that Obama (and all other campaigning politicians) tells us, for everyone to see. Make it time-stamped, tagged, listed, searchable and…

I thought that was what Daily Show was.

I was thinking the same thing.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#123

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They're not needed. The government can just declare him an enemy combatant and stick him in Guantanamo. (see: Jose Padilla.) Or, drop a drone bomb on him. (see: Anwar al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, Abd al-Rahman, and Jude Mohammed.)

Jose Padilla was never held in Guantanamo. He was held in a military brig in South Carolina, longer than he should have because of litigation surrounding the authority of the Bush administration to hold him without charges. The Bush administration did charge him, likely because they lost Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which rejected their attempts to detain a different U.S. citizen. The only American citizen targeted in a drone s…

> He was held in a military brig in South Carolina, longer than he should have because

So he was held for three and a half years as an "enemy combatant" under order of the US president, G.W. Bush.

Is the US court system so broken that one person, one president, one dictator is now judge jury and executioner and gets away with such an atrocity?

What has become of the rule of law in the USA?

As a country, it's looking more and more like a dictatorship.

As a country that stood for democracy, freedom of speech and justice for all, what has become of that?

As a serious question, what exactly does the government of the USA stand for today?

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#124

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I have a fool-proof way to test your retarded theory: (and I call it retarded only because its the best word in the modern human lexicon to discuss such topics of self-delusion) Why don't we make a non-stop replaying channel of all the ridiculous bullshit propaganda campaign promises that Obama (and all other campaigning politicians) tells us, for everyone to see. Make it time-stamped, tagged, listed, searchable and…

What do you think the wayback machine is? As for calling other posters retarded (and a poster who is generally on the same side as you on these issues, at that) - don't.

I didn't call him retarded, I called his theory retarded, I called him self-deluded.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#125
post #19
post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths are so good at lying that they self-deceive themselves. They believe their own lies. That's why it's so easy to fall for what they say. They always fly to the top - be it at corporations, governments, crime organizations. The more psychopathic they are, the hig…

He's not a psychopath or even a sociopath.

I'm definitely not a fan of his, but I do think he cares about people and has empathy. You don't become a Community Organizer for the power and money.

When he made those promises, he did so because he was(still is) naive and had very little real world experience.

He's an astoundingly awful President and possibly a closet-Marxist, but he's no cold-blooded sociopath.

[edit: clarification]

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#126
post #50
post #44

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> not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Treason does actually carry the potential of a death penalty. Based on poor state of the current US legal system, I too would have run. The last decade has seen the US legal system turned into nothing but a rubber stamp and puppet for the government. The founding fathers would be turning in their graves.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.

Who cares what he's charged with. Look at what they did to Bradley Manning. Actions speak louder than words.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#127
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jose Padilla was never held in Guantanamo. He was held in a military brig in South Carolina, longer than he should have because of litigation surrounding the authority of the Bush administration to hold him without charges. The Bush administration did charge him, likely because they lost Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which rejected their attempts to detain a different U.S. citizen. The only American citizen targeted in a drone s…

> He was held in a military brig in South Carolina, longer than he should have because So he was held for three and a half years as an "enemy combatant" under order of the US president, G.W. Bush. Is the US court system so broken that one person, one president, one dictator is now judge jury and executioner and gets away with such an atrocity? What has become of the rule of law in the USA? As a country, it's looking…

As a juxtaposition consider this, just out today.

Halliburton, the US energy services giant, has admitted destroying evidence relating to the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico, the worst such disaster in American history.

A Justice Department statement released late on Thursday said the company had agreed to plead guilty to criminal conduct that occurred when it was carrying out its own post-accident investigation.

Is any one going to pay for the fact that they broke the law, screwed up in the lives of so many people in Florida, stuffed up the environment for years to come all for the sake of a dollar?

No. The Justice Department is going to do nothing more than slap them on the wrist.

And why is that? Obviously money talks!

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#128
post #65

Throughout the years of my life I have learned of certain inalienable truths. The fact that politicians are not trust-worthy is one of them.

And yet we continue to give them more authority to control our lives as though they were our "better angels".

Politicians are no better than we are. Often, they are worse since a strong desire to control others is often what puts them on the political track.

Obama said the other day, "The government is us, and we're doing things right"

HUH?!

If the government is us, then why are we spying on ourselves? Why can't we get any answers about the NSA spying, the IRS scandal, Benghazi, or even the Fast and Furious gun running scandal?

If we are the government, then we're kind of masochistic.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#129
post #40

I see this as largely coincidental, and nothing nefarious. If you follow the link from the page to the archived version [1], look among the dozens of subjects, click on Ethics, scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see the single paragraph he's referring to. It makes up for about 0.1% of the total content. It's unlikely the administration took down an entire website just to hide Obama's whistleblower pro…

It would have been much more appropriate if the site had instead been archived.

If the change.gov's messaging weren't so contradictory to current reality, it would have made a great feature to any current "forward" content.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#130
post #40

I see this as largely coincidental, and nothing nefarious. If you follow the link from the page to the archived version [1], look among the dozens of subjects, click on Ethics, scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see the single paragraph he's referring to. It makes up for about 0.1% of the total content. It's unlikely the administration took down an entire website just to hide Obama's whistleblower pro…

Have the qualifications for "conspiracy" been gradually ratcheted down until it's just synonymous with "implying that someone in government did something without the public's best interests at heart"?

I'm not sure how taking down your own website because some of its positions don't accord with your current actions counts as either far-fetched or a conspiracy.

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