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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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muuh-gnu wrote: post #69
rtpg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.

How is he supposed to know in advance that they will not try to kill him if that legal option is on the table and they are known to be willing to make examples out of previous whistleblowers like Bradley Manning? And even if he is not threatened with outright execution, even slightly less radical but more likely punishments, like that of Manning, are sufficiently radical to justify defecting to the Soviet Union. Even…

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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by smithian »

konklone wrote: post #9

This is a simple discovery, but an important one. Change.gov was the President's official transition website, and included a vision for his presidency. It's a central piece of the historical record of the US, and they yanked it from the Internet. It doesn't matter whether or not the Administration was trying to remove something specific: taking down the content at Change.gov is un-American and un-Internet.

Never fear, the Wayback Machine is here. http://web.archive.org/web/20130608162024/http://change.gov/...

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by 3825 »

sampo wrote: post #100
muuh-gnu wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is he supposed to know in advance that they will not try to kill him if that legal option is on the table and they are known to be willing to make examples out of previous whistleblowers like Bradley Manning? And even if he is not threatened with outright execution, even slightly less radical but more likely punishments, like that of Manning, are sufficiently radical to justify defecting to the Soviet Union. Even…

> defecting to the Soviet Union Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. 1991 was 22 years ago. You must be a real old-timer?

Perhaps a jab at Putin, if I had to guess

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by rayiner »

arunkd13 wrote: post #83
rtpg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.

I have heard the term secret court, for the first time only with reference the the USA. With secret courts, secret indictment, your statement of 'He isn't going to be charged with treason' only looks like a trap being laid.

Oh for fucks sake. There are no secret courts that can issue indictments.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by ry0ohki »

mortehu wrote: post #42
joering2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I understand, he fled to avoid a trial, not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Would you write your comment again after knowing this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/opinion/15tue3.html?_r=0 http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/bradley-on-abuse http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/justice/manning-wikileaks Enough?

Have civilians ever been tried in US military courts?

No, but they have been targeted by drones without a trial...

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by prawn »

How likely is it that the pre-pres Obama was as-advertised, but he's now operating with top-level knowledge about the US's place in the power struggles of the world? And that knowledge pushes him to act against some of the friendlier statements he's made in the past?

Could the strength of the US WRT China (for example) be on a knife-edge that warrants the back-pedalling we're seeing?

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by samweinberg »

ibejoeb wrote: post #66

I think this is sensational, but it got me looking around the archive[1], and it's a pretty good read. -- Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties * Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering, establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts, and…

Don't forget this one:

* New Capabilities to Aggressively Defeat Terrorists: Improve the American intelligence apparatus by investing in its capacity to collect and analyze information, share information with other agencies and carry out operations to disrupt terrorist networks.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by prawn »

Buzaga wrote: post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

After the leaks we've seen, wouldn't publicising protection of whistleblowers potentially motivate more leaks of state secrets? I can see how the government would be nervous about that. Clearly they think that some abuse of authority is justified to maintain global power.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by officemonkey »

rayiner wrote: post #104
arunkd13 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard the term secret court, for the first time only with reference the the USA. With secret courts, secret indictment, your statement of 'He isn't going to be charged with treason' only looks like a trap being laid.

Oh for fucks sake. There are no secret courts that can issue indictments.

They're not needed. The government can just declare him an enemy combatant and stick him in Guantanamo. (see: Jose Padilla.)

Or, drop a drone bomb on him. (see: Anwar al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, Abd al-Rahman, and Jude Mohammed.)

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