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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by monkeyspaw »

pvnick wrote: post #40

I see this as largely coincidental, and nothing nefarious. If you follow the link from the page to the archived version [1], look among the dozens of subjects, click on Ethics, scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see the single paragraph he's referring to. It makes up for about 0.1% of the total content. It's unlikely the administration took down an entire website just to hide Obama's whistleblower pro…

I also agree that this is coincidental. There is no reason to connect what a politician says they represent with what they actually represent.

A more innocent website would involve a random slogan generator.

It's unlikely there was intent to cover something up regarding Obama's whistleblower promises because it's unlikely there was ever any connection between his promises and his actions.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by monkeyspaw »

icebraining wrote: post #82
samstave wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a fool-proof way to test your retarded theory: (and I call it retarded only because its the best word in the modern human lexicon to discuss such topics of self-delusion) Why don't we make a non-stop replaying channel of all the ridiculous bullshit propaganda campaign promises that Obama (and all other campaigning politicians) tells us, for everyone to see. Make it time-stamped, tagged, listed, searchable and…

I thought that was what Daily Show was.

no, that was only when Bush Light was in office.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by downandout »

From NSA to prosecuting reporters for...well...reporting, it is quite clear that one Obama ran for office and a different one actually took office. They are trying to get rid of all the evidence of the many misrepresentations he made in order to get elected, probably so that the next round of Democrats running for office aren't also seen as liars and hypocrites.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by thret »

There's something seriously wrong with the entire political system when every single person here is like 'well yeah, he's a politician'.

“Those who seek power are not worthy of that power.”

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by downandout »

iwwr wrote: post #57
pvnick wrote: post #40

I see this as largely coincidental, and nothing nefarious. If you follow the link from the page to the archived version [1], look among the dozens of subjects, click on Ethics, scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see the single paragraph he's referring to. It makes up for about 0.1% of the total content. It's unlikely the administration took down an entire website just to hide Obama's whistleblower pro…

Indeed, we should not think of 2007-Obama, 2008-Obama and 2012-Obama as the same people. What one said can't be held against the other.

Let's take that one step further. The October 2012 Obama and the January 2013 Obama were apparently entirely different people. In fact he didn't just change - during the 2012 campaign, he actively lied. He made statements about how transparent his government is and how he is all about protecting our rights etc., while presiding over programs in direct conflict with those statements.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by unclebucknasty »

smsm42 wrote: post #84
Demiurge wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense to me. Obama said different things than other people said in 2008, including Hillary. It didn't make anyone who believed that Obama meant it gullible, especially looking at his history. And it doesn't AT ALL mean that anyone who believed him then would continue to believe him after he went against his promises.

He went against his promises many, many times. And he still was re-elected. Which drives me to the conclusion that his voters are gullible enough to still believe in "we're going to change Washington" - even though the person promising the change is has been in charge for years and the only change was to the worse. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that Obama is not a regular politician that would promise to c…

>he still was re-elected. Which drives me to the conclusion that his voters are gullible enough to still believe in "we're going to change Washington"

There were actually many who were disappointed by 2012, and I am not aware of anyone (even Obama) who still discussed or believed that the 2012 campaign was about "changing Washington", as was the 2008 campaign. Even his campaign slogan had changed to reflect this. That election was more a repudiation of Romney than some zealous continuing belief in change.

I mean, really, do you think the sort of person who would desire the type of change that Obama promised in 2008, would then vote for Romney?

>there was absolutely nothing to indicate that Obama is not a regular politician that would promise to change everything and change nothing

Seriously? Everything about the man suggested he was different. From his work as a community organizer, to his own experience and background, to his writings, to the fact that he would be the first African-American president, virtually everything about the man was different from a "regular politician".

Not to mention the striking contrast with W.

If ever there was a time in recent political history for Americans to cast off their well-justified cynicism regarding politicians it was with Barack Obama in 2008.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by vl »

smsm42 wrote: post #84
Demiurge wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense to me. Obama said different things than other people said in 2008, including Hillary. It didn't make anyone who believed that Obama meant it gullible, especially looking at his history. And it doesn't AT ALL mean that anyone who believed him then would continue to believe him after he went against his promises.

He went against his promises many, many times. And he still was re-elected. Which drives me to the conclusion that his voters are gullible enough to still believe in "we're going to change Washington" - even though the person promising the change is has been in charge for years and the only change was to the worse. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that Obama is not a regular politician that would promise to c…

Well, to be fair Romney was confused by his own lies even before being elected. When the choice was between Romney, who clearly wiggled to satisfy every group and failed to take a stand for at least something, and Obama, who at least could articulate his position, many voted for known lesser evil.

Radicalization of the right wing basically made republicans unelectable, and on top of that pushed mainstream democrats severely right when they try to grab centrist republican votes. System is not working as intended, politicians are fine, people loose. On other hand in two-party state over time both parties degrade beyond point of distinction fighting for 1% of centrist votes anyway.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by sampo »

muuh-gnu wrote: post #69
rtpg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.

How is he supposed to know in advance that they will not try to kill him if that legal option is on the table and they are known to be willing to make examples out of previous whistleblowers like Bradley Manning? And even if he is not threatened with outright execution, even slightly less radical but more likely punishments, like that of Manning, are sufficiently radical to justify defecting to the Soviet Union. Even…

> defecting to the Soviet Union

Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. 1991 was 22 years ago. You must be a real old-timer?

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