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Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're moving towards minimal formatting, and web-based solutions (like Google Docs). You might be. Some of us have been moving back the other way, after discovering that doing real work using children's toys instead of grown-up tools is inefficient and frequently produces substandard results. People have written entire books specifically on how to present information effectively, on top of a vast body of knowledge ab…

> The fact that a typical web-based word processor today offers only trivial formatting tools doesn't invalidate all of that previous experience and understanding; it just means that a typical web-based word processor today isn't very good at producing well-presented documents. Or it could be that for many people, "good enough" is good enough; they simply don't care about the incremental benefits of "well-presented d…

Or it could be that for many people, "good enough" is good enough

I don't think there's any "could" about it. What you said is certainly true, and a huge proportion of the most successful web apps have been built on that premise, and there's nothing wrong with that.

However, that doesn't mean those who still need or want something of higher quality are dinosaurs who are somehow being left behind the times. While I understand your music analogy, I don't think the relative differences in quality and flexibility are very similar at all in the two cases.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#52
I would be happy if LibreOffice didn't add a single feature for the next year and did the following:

* Improved MS Office Interoperability

* Fixed bugs

* Reduced memory usage/improved performance

In fact, those are the primary reasons my company abandoned our plans to migrate from MSO to LO. I have filed several bug reports with both the AO/LO teams on issues such with incorrectly importing NetSuite generated Excel documents for our sales team. Most of the bugs were validated, opened, and then ignored for the past year.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#53

Maybe I'm being overly fussy. But I think they should polish their UI. For example https://www.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/EN-Project_images... — the "Properties" button and "Line Type" drop down are completely misaligned. These design issues add up and end up giving a poor impression of the software, regardless of its features.

http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/175/new-libreoffic... Just pointing out :-)

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant when will it be good enough. I'm looking for anecdotes, not particulars. Several people in this thread have expressed that at present LibreOffice is much better than OpenOffice. I'm wondering how much better and if enough work is being done on AOO that its expected to catch up anytime soon.

'Good enough' really depends what you need it for. I understand that LO has more people working on it than AOO, so I wouldn't expect the latter to catch up unless there's some big shift in the landscape.

StarOffice was already good enough over a decade ago for me to buy it. Back then, WordPerfect was still around. Today, OpenOffice and LibreOffice are the last of their kind but the latter has a much quicker development pace. They could just box it up and ship it like OpenBSD does, 10/10 would buy again regardless of how they call it.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#55

> Integration of libmwaw written by Laurent Alonso brings support for a multitude of pre-OSX Mac word-processing documents in different file-formats. Although it's great to support very old formats, I wonder if it makes sense to integrate this to the main distribution, and thus increase the code size with features few people need. They should have some kind of plugin system to support this.

I'm not sure what you mean. It uses the external libmwaw library, like it already uses libwpd (for WordPerfect) and libwps (for Microsoft Works).

Oh I see, I assumed it was compiled into the main binary, but in fact it's an external library that's only loaded when opening the document, right?

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#56

Dinosaur. We're moving towards minimal formatting, and web-based solutions (like Google Docs). The ones who need typesetting are stuck with LaTeX anyway.

I use Google Docs, but I dislike them. The worst part is, that this dislike is pretty much irrational—Google Docs just seem extremely fragile to me. I don't know why I get this feeling but it is there and I am not sure I will ever trust any non-trivial documents editin within web browser. Are there other feeling the same way? Maybe you have some idea why do I have this kind of mistrust?

I feel the same way. Dislike. It just never seems to do what you want it to do and things don't quite interoperate. In a previous life I could draw something in Visio and copy paste that into e-mail (Outlook), make a graph in Excel and copy that as well. Communicate; you know. In gmail you can try inserting an image but more often than not it comes out as gibberish and forget about any other form of interop.

There's no reason why you couldn't do everything within a browser but we don't seem to quite be there yet.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#57

Any faster? My one reason for clinging to Excel is the speed of computations involving thousands of cells, including graphing.

Extremely fast. In some cases, they load Excel spreadsheets faster than Excel 2010.

Loading != calculation. Excel has a multi-threaded calculation engine: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/bb687899.aspx

Apparently LO does not: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5371/is-lo-calc-capab...

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#58

I appreciate the effort of everyone involved in this complex project but I think that we should see something like an opensource replacement to google docs in our future

I believe it was their plan to create both an Android and a web version.

Just can't find the link to the video..

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

#59

Dinosaur. We're moving towards minimal formatting, and web-based solutions (like Google Docs). The ones who need typesetting are stuck with LaTeX anyway.

We're moving towards minimal formatting, and web-based solutions (like Google Docs). You might be. Some of us have been moving back the other way, after discovering that doing real work using children's toys instead of grown-up tools is inefficient and frequently produces substandard results. People have written entire books specifically on how to present information effectively, on top of a vast body of knowledge ab…

> doing real work using children's toys instead of grown-up tools is inefficient and frequently produces substandard results.

While I agree that Google Docs are a joke, the damage done by clueless users with Office that could be avoided by taking away all possibilities of custom formatting is not to be underestimated.

I'm mainly talking about captioning images by aligning the following line at its center and creating headlines by formatting a line very big.

God, how I hate these people.

Re: LibreOffice 4.1 New Features and Fixes

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post #52

I would be happy if LibreOffice didn't add a single feature for the next year and did the following: * Improved MS Office Interoperability * Fixed bugs * Reduced memory usage/improved performance In fact, those are the primary reasons my company abandoned our plans to migrate from MSO to LO. I have filed several bug reports with both the AO/LO teams on issues such with incorrectly importing NetSuite generated Excel d…

> Improved MS Office Interoperability

The problem is that this is a moving target (and event more in motion due to Microsoft's need to port this to some mobile platform, so no matter how much is invested in this issue, they will never get close to acceptable.

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