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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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We have always been at war with whistleblowers.

It has always been a loaded issue, and it has never been clear-cut. Think of it this way; whistleblowing is similar to spying in many regards. Perhaps the most important differentiator- intent- is neither a perfect defense nor easy to prove.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#42
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

> As far as I understand, he fled to avoid a trial, not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Would you write your comment again after knowing this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/opinion/15tue3.html?_r=0 http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/bradley-on-abuse http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/justice/manning-wikileaks Enough?

Have civilians ever been tried in US military courts?

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#43
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- save taxpayers dollars : looks like this was rejected just yesterday by the Congress. Who cares about taxpayers dollars anyway? - whistleblower laws : did Obama ever do anything in that regard apart from public speeches as a candidate? - abuse of authority : Obama himself clearly abused authority in the Snowden case in what he said and in the threats he placed on the guy. - full access to court and due process: yea…

"Yes, we could."

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/8988666085_0749d7fcea_b.j...

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#44
post #32
post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

> not because there was some imminent threat to his life.

Treason does actually carry the potential of a death penalty.

Based on poor state of the current US legal system, I too would have run.

The last decade has seen the US legal system turned into nothing but a rubber stamp and puppet for the government.

The founding fathers would be turning in their graves.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#45
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I understand, he fled to avoid a trial, not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Would you write your comment again after knowing this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/opinion/15tue3.html?_r=0 http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/bradley-on-abuse http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/justice/manning-wikileaks Enough?

Have civilians ever been tried in US military courts?

Not since Ex parte Milligan (1866), AFAIK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Milligan

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#46
post #3

I agree with the first commenter on the link. This is quite a reach. It's unlikely that the order to take down an old, unmaintained site would have come from someone who's in on some sinister agenda to revise history.

It's not really a reach when you realize how things like this really occur:

It got emailed around or something, and someone who was close enough to a WH staffer or DNC person saw it, and send it along.

They asked their boss what to do, and the answer was "just change the website".

It's not like there was some ordered plan of "first we'll change this, then we'll change the transition site". It's clearly a reactive move to someone noticing, and they didn't expect it to blow up.

The reason it blew up is equally simple. Somewhere in the forward chain, someone was close to sunlight, and sent it to them. The original story was going to be "obama promises things about whistleblowers, breaks his promise", but once it got removed from the website, the much juicier story of "obama revises historical promises" came along.

This is how a lot of things in DC get noticed. There are hundreds of staffers and DNC people and what have you. They also likely have a fairly low degree of separation to someone who would notice this, ...

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#47
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I understand, he fled to avoid a trial, not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Would you write your comment again after knowing this: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/opinion/15tue3.html?_r=0 http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/bradley-on-abuse http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/justice/manning-wikileaks Enough?

Have civilians ever been tried in US military courts?

Have military prisoners ever been subjected to torture while awaiting trial?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/10/bradley-manning-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Detention

It doesn't matter if he's tried in a civilian or military court, if he's tortured or otherwise subjected to inhumane treatment and if he is not likely to receive a fair trial then he should flee.

Edit: typo

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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post #32
post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

Has Obama even called Snowden a whistle-blower? He called him a hacker, and his tone of voice has always been dismissive and implying treason.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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post #19
post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths are so good at lying that they self-deceive themselves. They believe their own lies. That's why it's so easy to fall for what they say. They always fly to the top - be it at corporations, governments, crime organizations. The more psychopathic they are, the hig…

Armchair psychology at its best

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

#50
post #44
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

> not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Treason does actually carry the potential of a death penalty. Based on poor state of the current US legal system, I too would have run. The last decade has seen the US legal system turned into nothing but a rubber stamp and puppet for the government. The founding fathers would be turning in their graves.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.
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