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U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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Pretty simple way to frame this in a way that Washington can understand: The NSA data collection programs are _job killers_ for American high-tech workers and its most innovative companies.

Not only that, it will cause us the lead in innovation and technology services. It affects all apps that depend on those cloud services and they are getting yelled at by their customers for not providing better alternatives.

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #9

Pretty simple way to frame this in a way that Washington can understand: The NSA data collection programs are _job killers_ for American high-tech workers and its most innovative companies.

"Hard working, innovative technology companies are losing out to foreign companies due to this unaccountable, big government program. It's time to reign in this anticompetitive NSA behavior and let American business compete on a level playing field."

*formatted for a talking head to use on FOX News/MSNBC/CNN

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #8

What's surprising is the lack of alternative services (even outside the US) that clearly state any service they provide will in fact shut down before not being transparent. I have cancelled quite a few services over the last few months, but struggle to find real alternatives. Also, I doubt even transparency in the aggregate would be enough to make me go back into US based offerings.

Take a look at http://www.ovh.co.uk/cloud/public-cloud.xml EC2-like instances are supposed to be released at the end of august.

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #13
post #8

What's surprising is the lack of alternative services (even outside the US) that clearly state any service they provide will in fact shut down before not being transparent. I have cancelled quite a few services over the last few months, but struggle to find real alternatives. Also, I doubt even transparency in the aggregate would be enough to make me go back into US based offerings.

Take a look at http://www.ovh.co.uk/cloud/public-cloud.xml EC2-like instances are supposed to be released at the end of august.

What I'd like to see is a link to their policy supporting transparency for clients.

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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I too have switched my personal things and most of our company away from the US. I have helped my friends move to non-US chat services and/or use OTR. I will spend my money on secure (from snooping and the operator) encrypted services outside the US instead.

Seeing that we have no rights in the US whatsoever, it is ridiculous to store anything in the United States that could be used in any way at any point in the future.

If the US wants to keep its leading role in the Cloud-business, it will need to curb these programs and protect the companies from forced participation in mass surveillance measures (including on foreigners). Keep in mind that even a single policy-maker that decides not to trust US-based services can cost the US economy millions of dollars.

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #9

Pretty simple way to frame this in a way that Washington can understand: The NSA data collection programs are _job killers_ for American high-tech workers and its most innovative companies.

That'll get them to pay attention, especially considering all the efforts they've made to stimulate the employment market during this session.

Oh wait[1]...

[1] http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/congress-has...

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #12
post #9

Pretty simple way to frame this in a way that Washington can understand: The NSA data collection programs are _job killers_ for American high-tech workers and its most innovative companies.

"Hard working, innovative technology companies are losing out to foreign companies due to this unaccountable, big government program. It's time to reign in this anticompetitive NSA behavior and let American business compete on a level playing field." *formatted for a talking head to use on FOX News/MSNBC/CNN

That's beautiful. Now do company-sponsored/pre-tax health insurance coverage!

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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After SOPA, it became clear that the U.S. info sector could no longer neglect its lobbying efforts in Washington. The MPAA and RIAA represent comparatively tiny (in terms of revenue) interests but were only thwarted by the unpredictable (and unreliable) intervention of the public.

Now this.

The info sector has become big industry and is going to play a correspondingly big role in U.S. politics going forward. They're going to make more campaign contributions, be more involved in the campaigns themselves, and spend more money on lobbyists than ever before. Capitol hill is about to get a whif of silver-dollar grapeshot from a new angle, and those voting to maintain NSA funding are in an exposed position!

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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I too have switched my personal things and most of our company away from the US. I have helped my friends move to non-US chat services and/or use OTR. I will spend my money on secure (from snooping and the operator) encrypted services outside the US instead. Seeing that we have no rights in the US whatsoever, it is ridiculous to store anything in the United States that could be used in any way at any point in the fut…

Honest question, what makes you think that you will have more rights/privacy by hosting somewhere else? It's been my impression that there has been (comparatively) little backlash within the US regarding foreign data acquisition. Maybe all this attention on the NSA's activities will be the trigger for other countries to create or ramp-up their own data snooping efforts.

Re: U.S. cloud firms face backlash from NSA spy programs

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post #19

I too have switched my personal things and most of our company away from the US. I have helped my friends move to non-US chat services and/or use OTR. I will spend my money on secure (from snooping and the operator) encrypted services outside the US instead. Seeing that we have no rights in the US whatsoever, it is ridiculous to store anything in the United States that could be used in any way at any point in the fut…

Honest question, what makes you think that you will have more rights/privacy by hosting somewhere else? It's been my impression that there has been (comparatively) little backlash within the US regarding foreign data acquisition. Maybe all this attention on the NSA's activities will be the trigger for other countries to create or ramp-up their own data snooping efforts.

Did you follow the news from Germany? Merkel might lose the election over not opposing the NSA. People still remember Stasi.
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