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Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by esolyt »

cheald wrote: post #113
megablast wrote: post #75

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Since I got my ipad mini, I have not really used my nexus, only for debugging my apps. The battery, screen, speed and so were all worse, and I never got used to the os as much as I have for iOS. If I didn't need an android tablet, I probably would not have one.

Uh, the iPad Mini's screen is 1024-by-768/163 PPI. The first-gen N7's is 1280x800/216 ppi. The N7's screen is noticeably nicer. I can't speak to battery or speed as I haven't had a lot of hands-on time with the Mini, but I will note that the N7's slimmer aspect ratio means it fits nicely in a pocket, while the iPad Mini just plain doesn't.

Resolution is not the only criteria to judge a display. Color accuracy, calibration, contrast, gamma, viewing angles are also important.

I have both devices and I can comfortably say Nexus 7's display is much worse. Images appear washed out, it's not as bright as the iPad mini, it has worse viewing angles etc.

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by mscrivo »

criley2 wrote: post #109
dntrkv wrote: post #79

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I constantly hear people make this claim, but in my experience, it is not true. I have owned tons of Android devices and they have really gotten a lot smoother and responsive, especially with 4.1/4.2 releases, but they still don't come close to iOS. I have tried tons of different roms on the Galaxy Nexus and the factory roms on the One X, One, and S4, but they just don't have the iOS level of smooth.

Agreed. I have never once experienced iOS level smoothness from my Note II, and I've run both stock TouchWiz 4.1 and a CM 10.1 4.2 variant called Liquidsmooth. Android is great, I wouldn't trade back to iOS for the world, but I've just learned to accept the hiccups, lag and odd behavior that hurts my "suspension of belief" (or whatever term describes the ability to believe that we're actually 'moving' things by touch…

I just flashed 4.3 onto my Nexus 4, and I'm happy to say those annoying hiccups are virtually non-existent now! They really bothered me before. Chrome and Facebook were the apps I most noticed the stuttering in.

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by kunai »

mikeash wrote: post #90
bitwize wrote: post #60

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Fuck the haters, Despicable Me is awesome. And yes, when I picked up and handled my Nex 7 for the first time I thought to myself "this is an iPad mini". I was absolutely flabbergasted that they could push a device of this quality out at the quasi-magical $250 price point. Then Apple came out with a real iPad mini, and I'm still glad I got the Nex instead. Top-notch in terms of performance, ease of use, portability an…

There are Despicable Me haters? They probably just need banana.

Or they could just go to New York New York Las Vegas and see that stealing the small Statue of Liberty is no small feat...

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by deelowe »

igravious wrote: post #107
deelowe wrote: post #94

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> If you navigate to Google Play on a PC you'll see a list of your devices and have a history of all the apps you ever installed and you can reinstall them remotely from the PC. Yeah... About that... Google removed that feature.

What feature? Are you sure? I just remotely installed an app to test it out. Google Play still has a My Apps section. And if you go to https://play.google.com/settings you'll see your devices. Which feature do you think is gone?

Ahh, they moved it to another spot. For weeks I thought they removed the feature altogether.

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by rustynails77 »

oscilloscope wrote: post #129
scott_karana wrote: post #120

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Screen "niceness" constitutes far more factors than just DPI. It could be contrast ratio, colour gamut, brightness, subpixel quality, viewing angles, reflectivity of coating, susceptibility to oils/fingerprints... (I haven't used either, I'm just saying)

I've used both. I prefer the Mini's screen to the old N7: larger viewing angles, better color saturation/accuracy, less backlight bleed, smaller bezel. The iPad Mini Retina will likely be the perfect small tablet for most users.

I just can't look past the poor resolution of the iPad mini - and on that basis alone, I would not recommend it to anyone, except people with very poor eyesight. I agree that DPI isn't everything. I think of it as like "stock" to a soup. Without stock (or with awful stock), you have no soup. The rest of the ingredients are important, but stock is king. iPad mini has foul tasting "stock" ;) Brightness is important, but not fundamental, viewing angles are less important when you're looking straight on or from a slight angle (ie. 99% of the time). I didn't notice a huge difference on contrast ratio (eg. differentiating dark colours readily). I would not recommend the current iPad mini to anyone with reasonable eyesight.

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by prewett »

cheald wrote: post #113
megablast wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I got my ipad mini, I have not really used my nexus, only for debugging my apps. The battery, screen, speed and so were all worse, and I never got used to the os as much as I have for iOS. If I didn't need an android tablet, I probably would not have one.

Uh, the iPad Mini's screen is 1024-by-768/163 PPI. The first-gen N7's is 1280x800/216 ppi. The N7's screen is noticeably nicer. I can't speak to battery or speed as I haven't had a lot of hands-on time with the Mini, but I will note that the N7's slimmer aspect ratio means it fits nicely in a pocket, while the iPad Mini just plain doesn't.

The original Nexus 7 is known to have extremely poor color calibration.[1][2] Both the Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 look terrible to me, everything is very blue-looking. I took a look at a Kindle Fire HD and a Nexus 7 at a store and the difference is immediately obvious.

I can't stand seeing pixels, so the iPad Mini is not an option, but I'm also not willing to spend money on a tablet with lousy color. Hopefully Google gets it right this time.

[1] http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#8 [2] http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57479059-94/expert-claims-g...

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by kellishaver »

incision wrote: post #39
rorrr2 wrote: post #26

I wonder if they ever resolved the storage deterioration problem. "One year later, the Nexus 7 has gone from the best to worst tablet I’ve ever owned" http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opinions/one-year-later-the-...

I picked up a Nexus 7 immediately and haven't experienced anything of the sort described. I haven't heard any complaints from the half dozen folks I know who own them either.

Same here. My original one had the screen lift issue, so I sent it back and got a replacement, but I haven't noticed a bit of slowness, deterioration, or any other hardware/software issues out of it. I've used it almost daily since the day it was released.

Re: Google Unveils The New Nexus 7 Android Tablet

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Post by snogglethorpe »

rustynails77 wrote: post #146
oscilloscope wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used both. I prefer the Mini's screen to the old N7: larger viewing angles, better color saturation/accuracy, less backlight bleed, smaller bezel. The iPad Mini Retina will likely be the perfect small tablet for most users.

I just can't look past the poor resolution of the iPad mini - and on that basis alone, I would not recommend it to anyone, except people with very poor eyesight. I agree that DPI isn't everything. I think of it as like "stock" to a soup. Without stock (or with awful stock), you have no soup. The rest of the ingredients are important, but stock is king. iPad mini has foul tasting "stock" ;) Brightness is important, bu…

> viewing angles are less important when you're looking straight on or from a slight angle (ie. 99% of the time).

I find that with the ipad mini viewing angles actually do seem kind of important, because—unlike a phone—I very often use the ipad mini without holding it, whether sitting on a table, on my lap, or propped up against something while I watch a video. The result is that one doesn't have nearly the same easy control over viewing angle one has when hand-holding a device...

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