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Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by ams6110 »

dietrichepp wrote: post #30
ashishgandhi wrote: post #27

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As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

WebObjects is a web application framework. It's OLD old. It's about ten years older than Ruby on Rails, putting it on par with PHP and Ruby itself. NeXT made it and Apple decided to make it free. It was Objective-C and is now Java.

It's not any older than Interface Builder and other stuff in the Mac OS dev toolkit, as all of that came from NeXT. I would guess though that it has not been maintained or updated.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by coldcode »

dietrichepp wrote: post #30
ashishgandhi wrote: post #27

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As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

WebObjects is a web application framework. It's OLD old. It's about ten years older than Ruby on Rails, putting it on par with PHP and Ruby itself. NeXT made it and Apple decided to make it free. It was Objective-C and is now Java.

I used WO in the late nineties and it was way ahead of its time. Enterprise Objects (which morphed into Core Data) was an amazing tool for working with databases. Today it's pretty obsolete and it's not easy to find people.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by Watabou »

briandear wrote: post #38
janardanyri wrote: post #24

Well, the Bug Reporter is now online; that's one system restored, 13 to go. At least they're making progress. https://bugreport.apple.com/

we should file a bug report that the dev center is down. That would be metafun. EDIT: (I forgot to use the tag.) Apologies all.

No. They're already busy. Let's not bother them.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by ANH »

briandear wrote: post #33
PedroBatista wrote: post #10

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Unfortunately, it seems to be the future. Just like everything, the price of having an all knowing central authority must be paid somewhere sometime.

This has nothing to do with an "all knowing central authority." This only affects people selling or developing using Apple's tools or distibution. Turning this into George Orwell borders on ridiculous. When AWS goes down, which is far more frequent than the Apple Dev center, are you still making tin foil hat assumptions, despite the fact that AWS outages affect a significant portion of the web, while the dev center m…

Maybe you're overinterpreting the parent commenter, who makes a valid point. I read it as: This reminds us of our (increasing?) dependence on systems operated by opaque and fragile entities that, on top of it all, may have goals at odds with our own.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by Steko »

AsymetricCom wrote: post #39
briandear wrote: post #37

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I love pseudo-haikus wrapped in dystopian drama.

I hate when no amount of evidence and history will keep ostrich-types from calling you a crazy conspiracist. I guess we won't understand until food delivery is dependent on iPhone Apps.

FWIW I highly recommend the Dominos iOS app (the food notsomuch). Don't even have to give your email unless you want to pay by cc.

As for the Orwellian drama, most people aren't looking to be footsoldiers in the crusade. They develop for Apple because it puts steak on the gd dinner table and if developing for Firefox OS did the same they'd be doing that too but as of it today it doesn't.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

ANH wrote: post #45
briandear wrote: post #33

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This has nothing to do with an "all knowing central authority." This only affects people selling or developing using Apple's tools or distibution. Turning this into George Orwell borders on ridiculous. When AWS goes down, which is far more frequent than the Apple Dev center, are you still making tin foil hat assumptions, despite the fact that AWS outages affect a significant portion of the web, while the dev center m…

Maybe you're overinterpreting the parent commenter, who makes a valid point. I read it as: This reminds us of our (increasing?) dependence on systems operated by opaque and fragile entities that, on top of it all, may have goals at odds with our own.

In 1993, you were almost certainly going to have to pay money to write software on or for Mac OS. In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X.

Xcode is free-as-in-beer. You can install this if you want to avoid Apple's tooling: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer

Ruby, Python, Perl and other interpreters come standard with OS X. As does a terminal. Things are better, not worse.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by eurleif »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #47
ANH wrote: post #45

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Maybe you're overinterpreting the parent commenter, who makes a valid point. I read it as: This reminds us of our (increasing?) dependence on systems operated by opaque and fragile entities that, on top of it all, may have goals at odds with our own.

In 1993, you were almost certainly going to have to pay money to write software on or for Mac OS. In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X. Xcode is free-as-in-beer. You can install this if you want to avoid Apple's tooling: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer Ruby, Python, Perl and other interpreters come standard with OS X. As does a terminal. Things are better, not wors…

>In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X.

You have to join the Apple Developer Program, which costs $99/year, in order to distribute software that will run on OS X with default Gatekeeper settings. The registration for that program is currently down.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

eurleif wrote: post #48
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #47

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In 1993, you were almost certainly going to have to pay money to write software on or for Mac OS. In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X. Xcode is free-as-in-beer. You can install this if you want to avoid Apple's tooling: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer Ruby, Python, Perl and other interpreters come standard with OS X. As does a terminal. Things are better, not wors…

>In 2013, you most certainly do not have to pay money on or for Mac OS X. You have to join the Apple Developer Program, which costs $99/year, in order to distribute software that will run on OS X with default Gatekeeper settings. The registration for that program is currently down.

Which is Apple's prerogative. I can't speak for the average user, but given the number of times that, say, Transmission has been downloaded solely through MacUpdate and CNET (1.5mm), it seems pretty clear that many users know how to turn Gatekeeper off.

Re: Apple Developer System Status

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Post by eddieroger »

ashishgandhi wrote: post #27
1qaz2wsx3edc wrote: post #13

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What's interesting about this rebuild is it tell us Apple tightly couples it's services. I would except at Apple's scale they would have followed a Service Oriented Architecture. This doesn't seem to be the case at all. And whatever happened to static hosting for videos/downloads.

As of now right now (~1374712460) there are two systems that are online: iTunes Connect and Bug Reporter. And both seem to use the cannot-be-killed* WebObjects. You can clearly see that in the URLs as they mention "WebObjects" and end in ".woa" (assuming it means Web Objects Application). *I've no idea what WebObjects are but I've heard people poke fun at their mention. Would be interesting if someone had more detail…

Yeah, I noticed the WebObjects apps were back quick and first. With all of the iOS 7 bugs filed and the App Store in active use, I'm not at all surprised that they are too big to die for the time being. As for the rest of it, my money is on some Ruby descendant, based solely on the fact that all of the Passbook sample code was Ruby based, with a Sinatra app being the server and a signing gem bundled. I think some of Mavericks server utilities are Ruby based, too.
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