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Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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> It's almost like they're trying even harder to prevent people from having control over their device. What utter bullshit. Every Google Android device gives you the full freedom to flash whatever you want to on it. No restrictions at all. Security should not suffer because it might have a negative effect on an absolutely tiny minority of an userbase that can freely disable that added protection anyway.

You are right with respect to the Google-sold devices. Unfortunately, these are only a minority - and this step will make it significantly harder to root devices made by Samsung, HTC, Sony and all the others...

HTC supports unlocking their devices: http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader

Just buy the device free, not subsidized by an operator, and you're set.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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I agree. Just that the parent's point that "Google (and vendors) certainly wouldn't like users to have unrestricted access to their phones" doesn't make sense in light of this fact.

Unlocking the phone does a factory reset, right? So you won't have access to any data that your phone holds (unless you were able to export it or store on SD card). And, if I understand things correctly, custom ROMs do not have Google Play. Well, in reality they do, but I believe Play .apk's floating around are just warez. Maybe I'm wrong on this matter, though (please correct me if I am). But if I'm right, then, leg…

Unlocking does a factory reset by design. If someone was to steal your (locked, password-protected) device, and could unlock it without wiping, they could just flash an update that bypassed the password and dump all of your data. Or even worse flash an update that silently gave attackers remote access and put the device back in your possession.

Not wiping when unlocking the bootloader is a security hole.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Consider it unlikely. I have a flagship Verizon device stuck on 4.1.1, this is true of my previous Android device. The carriers seem to want a model where you replace your device regularly to get the newer software....

Lol, Funny how we have very different standards for stuck. I would not consider 4.1.1 "stuck" any time soon. I have gingerbread on 800mhz, 420x840. I would LOVE to be "stuck" on 4.1.1. Google chrome and Google Now seem like such neat things.

With a device like that surely you must be eligible for a carrier-provided upgrade device. What device is it, and do you just like it more than anything more recent?

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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I agree. Just that the parent's point that "Google (and vendors) certainly wouldn't like users to have unrestricted access to their phones" doesn't make sense in light of this fact.

Unlocking the phone does a factory reset, right? So you won't have access to any data that your phone holds (unless you were able to export it or store on SD card). And, if I understand things correctly, custom ROMs do not have Google Play. Well, in reality they do, but I believe Play .apk's floating around are just warez. Maybe I'm wrong on this matter, though (please correct me if I am). But if I'm right, then, leg…

...which is why the first thing I did when I bought my Nexus was fastboot oem unlock. No worries about a factory reset when I hadn't put anything on it to begin with.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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So 4.3 fixes neither the ad-hoc WiFi issue #82 nor the audio latency issue #3434. I will continue to pass as those are the deal breakers for me. It’s amazing – these two have been pending for more than 4 years. Google hasn’t cared to even comment on the former while thousands of users beg them to: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82

It would appear that both were assigned on Friday, so that is a good sign.

You mean 'on Wednesday last month'?

I'm not invested in either of these bugs, I don't think I care about them/their result, but I think you failed to parse the month in that tracker?

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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This is more developer related, but one of the biggest news is a backwards compatible ActionBar in the official support library. All that's left to say is a big, enormous thank you to Jake Wharton for keeping us all sane until now. Edit: The video about the ActionBarCompat is available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TGgYqfJnyc#at=20 Seems largely identical to ABS in its implementation, which makes sense.

Absolutely ActionBarCompat is the best addition to 4.3. Thanks for the video link.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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It would appear that both were assigned on Friday, so that is a good sign.

You mean 'on Wednesday last month'? I'm not invested in either of these bugs, I don't think I care about them/their result, but I think you failed to parse the month in that tracker?

Oh, yep. Saw Jun, read Jul. Still fairly recent, though.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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I'm guessing you're talking strictly about the Nexus line? Because there's several Android devices that have proven un-rootable thus far, such as most Motorola devices, several HTC devices, and so on.

HTC give you bootloader unlock code in like 5 minutes if you request it. That is a reason why there is so strong support for the devices.

I have an HTC One X on AT&T (came out last year) and HTC will not give bootloader unlock codes from HTC Dev for phones with an AT&T CID. You have to use a root exploit to change the CID that was patched in the last firmware update, but has now been cracked again. Unfortunately, it seems no hardware manufacturer has any consistent policies.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Lol, Funny how we have very different standards for stuck. I would not consider 4.1.1 "stuck" any time soon. I have gingerbread on 800mhz, 420x840. I would LOVE to be "stuck" on 4.1.1. Google chrome and Google Now seem like such neat things.

With a device like that surely you must be eligible for a carrier-provided upgrade device. What device is it, and do you just like it more than anything more recent?

I wonder how many people are effectively stuck on older devices because Verizon wants to strip away unlimited plans (Verizon ended unlimited data in May 2012 and you have to switch to a limited plan to get the carrier subsidy).
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