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Re: Snowden asylum still under review, stays in airport for now

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Post by acqq »

tootie wrote: post #78
jetti wrote: post #62

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I tried searching for the charges that the US brought against Snowden and then the penalty for those charges. According to Yahoo[1] (which isn't a great source but it is the best I could find in the short time I have), the charges brought carry a max of 30 years in prison, along with fines. That is a whole lot more than just 2 years. On top of that, you can bet that US government is going to go for broke on that case…

Max sentence is unlikely. Libby and Kiriakou both got 30 months and they exposed covert agents which Snowden did not (I know Libby served no time, but he was still sentenced). If Snowden is brought home to face charges, he will probably get a worse sentence now because he fled.

Are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby the one who got off the hook by President Bush's personal intervention? How is that surprising that he got so little?

You really assume that Obama would commute Snowden's sentence? Really?

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Post by acqq »

tootie wrote: post #28
kwal0203 wrote: post #12

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I don't think He'll be getting any FSB (new KGB) protection. They most likely control him now.

I think I'd rather do 2 years at Club Fed in the US than be under FSB control in Russia. I mean, Putin straight kills journalists.

Whereas Obama seems to "just" imprison them:

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/obamas_personal_role_in_a_jo...

I'm not supporting such actions of any president.

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Post by jivatmanx »

antitrust wrote: post #180
Everlag wrote: post #149

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Oh goddammit! I thought we were over Russia and the US doing that cold war bullshit. Seriously, if you're going to fight a war fight an economic war, much less destructive to other people than the little proxy wars the big boys seems to love so much.

Wars don't end until the underlying issue is settled. In this case it is very much as it was in 1914, which is "which large conglomerate of regional interests will rule the world," with participants being Russia, Europe and the USA. In the intervening years, we have added China, India and South America to the competition. But otherwise... "same as it ever was."

War is politics by other means.

When a war ends without the politics being settled, the seed of conflict remains.

However, most either people lack this longer term vision and falsely perceive a physical wins as an ultimate "victory", or don't care because they won't be around then.

"This isn't a peace, it's a twenty year truce!" - Ferdinand Foch, regarding the Treaty of Versailles

As an aside, the U.S's failure to predict the Collapse of the USSR was probably their greatest intelligence failure, with the consequence being Russia beginning a hurtling into the Abyss, arrested by Putin, and a partial reversal of the Democratic trend of Gorbachev. I don't think Demonizing Putin is really going to be helpful. Ignorance of the historical circumstances of Russia brought him in power is analogous to the belief that a Utopian Democracy could simply be imposed on Iraq from above. Take a Spherical Cow in a Vacuum, add some Democracy...

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Post by sp332 »

menato wrote: post #178
ambientwhsiper wrote: post #162

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Right. In Russia you can pretty much insult anyone as much as you like. Just hope they don't have a traumatic handgun on them. Give me a break. Nobody moves back to Russia, because they are free to smoke at the pubs there. I was also born in Russia and 3 years ago, I spent a year there. It is just as shit country as it has always been. Nothing changed. It's got some new paint on the facade.

Appreciation of reality in Russia is seriously depend on who you are. If you feel bad inside, it rather caused by your own personality.

Maybe you should rephrase that as: almost no one likes Russia, it's very hostile to anyone who is different.

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Post by SimHacker »

keevie wrote: post #184
antitrust wrote: post #180

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Wars don't end until the underlying issue is settled. In this case it is very much as it was in 1914, which is "which large conglomerate of regional interests will rule the world," with participants being Russia, Europe and the USA. In the intervening years, we have added China, India and South America to the competition. But otherwise... "same as it ever was."

same as it ever was

You may find yourself in another part of the world.

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Post by andreypopp »

mpyne wrote: post #188
andreypopp wrote: post #171

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How the fact that you are Russian makes you know why it was done?

Are you saying he's have the same level of insight if he was from Saskatchewan, Canada?

Be it from Canada his insights would different due to different media coverage but "insightness" measurement would be the same cause levels of media bullshitting both in Canada and in Russia are same

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Post by SimHacker »

1gor wrote: post #145
alexakarpov wrote: post #52

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Can't agree more (Russian here). In Russia it's all about putting up a show of anti-americanism, because that's what the voters like (the one thing that brings back memories of relative security of late Soviet days). Think Osama bin Laden granting asylum to Snowden in some remote Taliban camp.

Think Osama bin Laden granting asylum to Snowden in some remote Taliban camp. Strange, I am Russian and have been living in Russia for 5 years now (and before that for 20 years in the UK and Holland). And I cannot agree with your Taliban analogy even remotely. Actually, life in Russia today in some ways feels more free than in Europe. For example you don't need to be politically correct (self-censoring) when expressi…

What if your views are that homosexuality is not a crime you should be locked up for talking about?

Re: Snowden asylum still under review, stays in airport for now

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Post by SimHacker »

menato wrote: post #178
ambientwhsiper wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. In Russia you can pretty much insult anyone as much as you like. Just hope they don't have a traumatic handgun on them. Give me a break. Nobody moves back to Russia, because they are free to smoke at the pubs there. I was also born in Russia and 3 years ago, I spent a year there. It is just as shit country as it has always been. Nothing changed. It's got some new paint on the facade.

Appreciation of reality in Russia is seriously depend on who you are. If you feel bad inside, it rather caused by your own personality.

I hear there are no homosexuals in Russia. They are all very manly and masculine. Even the women. So there is no reason for a Russian man to be homosexual.
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