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What's new in Android 4.3

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Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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> The /system partition is now mounted nosuid for zygote-spawned processes, preventing Android applications from executing setuid programs. This reduces root attack surface and likelihood of potential security vulnerabilities. Well, that sounds great. It's almost like they're trying even harder to prevent people from having control over their device.

Well, there is a problem - root exploits give people control of their device, but are also, by definition, a security hole which can be exploited by malicious apps to break the sandboxing and do bad things (tm). The right solution to the issue of user control is to convince manufacturers (which many already do) to make their devices open without needing exploits, not purposefully making the OS less secure.

Another point to consider.

Android 4.3 now includes Digital Restrictions Management framework. In order to prevent users from accessing their data (or running apps) in a ways they're not allowed (copying files, advertisement blocking, tethering and so on), Google (and vendors) certainly wouldn't like users to have unrestricted access to their phones.

I really think tightening security with nosuid and SELinux is at least partially due to DRM introduction.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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> It's almost like they're trying even harder to prevent people from having control over their device. What utter bullshit. Every Google Android device gives you the full freedom to flash whatever you want to on it. No restrictions at all. Security should not suffer because it might have a negative effect on an absolutely tiny minority of an userbase that can freely disable that added protection anyway.

You are right with respect to the Google-sold devices. Unfortunately, these are only a minority - and this step will make it significantly harder to root devices made by Samsung, HTC, Sony and all the others...

So? That has nothing to do with Android 4.3 as far Google or the AOSP is concerned. Don't buy a device that doesn't give you control if you want that control.

And no, the Nexus line is not the only line that lets you do what you want to. Although not officially supported, Samsung's flashing protocol has been reverse engineered and they've made no changes to block those efforts. HTC's newest One supports the same fastboot procedure that the Nexus line does. Most of Sony's models can also be unlocked and some even have AOSP support.

This is the right move for security. It is not a move to "take control" from anyone. Instead, it is your duty to vote with your wallet. Don't buy carrier-locked phones or other phones that don't give you that control.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Is Google lacking imagination? This is the third version with the same name. I'm missing the times when every release was a new sweet thing.

> I'm missing the times when every release was a new sweet thing.

There's never been a time when all point releases had a new codename. Eclair covered 2.0 and 2.1. Honeycomb covered 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2. I don't see any evidence they've changed their naming practices.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Considering there haven't been devices yet that are unroot-able, this shouldn't be a problem. At a minimum the various Nexus devices work with fastboot to unlock the device very easily.

I'm guessing you're talking strictly about the Nexus line? Because there's several Android devices that have proven un-rootable thus far, such as most Motorola devices, several HTC devices, and so on.

You can pretty much unlock any of the bootloaders on any HTC Android device.

http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader

From there you can install Cyanogenmod if your handset supports it, a lot do.

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices#vendor="HTC";

There is not much point in complaining about not being able to root Android devices. Go for a Nexus or shop around. Not sure about Samsung devices -- they are the market leader after all -- so somebody'll have to help me out on that.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Not to start a flame war here...but what is the likelihood that newer devices still on 4.1 will be bumped to 4.3, on the reasoning that third-parties waited until 4.3 to make the upgrade? Or does it become increasingly unlikely that any upgrade will happen?

I have a Sprint HTC One...which was released in 4.2's latter days but still had 4.1...wondering if an upgrade will ever happen

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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Rolling out today, is what I read on The Verge. However, that doesn't mean you'll get it today; rollouts are usually so slow that you can wait weeks.

The Check Now button in About Phone seems to be something of a placebo button, as well. In the past I've got around this by going to Settings->Apps->Google Services and clearing the cache and killing the process. That will force an actual check by pressing the Check Now button. Of course, if your phone isn't scheduled to receive it yet then you'll still come up bupkis, like I have thus far.

I don't think anyone has gotten the OTA update yet. Once someone has, the zip will get posted and then we can all update from that. Or, you can flash the factory image which is out now but you'll lose your data on the phone.

Re: What's new in Android 4.3

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This is more developer related, but one of the biggest news is a backwards compatible ActionBar in the official support library. All that's left to say is a big, enormous thank you to Jake Wharton for keeping us all sane until now.

Edit: The video about the ActionBarCompat is available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TGgYqfJnyc#at=20

Seems largely identical to ABS in its implementation, which makes sense.

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