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Snowden asylum still under review, stays in airport for now

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Post by ivan_gammel »

jbooth wrote: post #92
rfctr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reasons to believe otherwise? The only thing I hold against him is his failure, as promised, to hang Georgian president by his balls. Eating necktie is a weak substitute.

Being president of a large country pretty much guarantees you've had to lie and cheat at least a little bit to get there. For one random example (not being a huge student of 21st century Russia), he promised Bush that he wasn't arming Saddam's troops. Turned out they were outfitted with a lot of Russian anti-tank and night vision gear when we got there.

That could be done via 3rd party like Ukraine without direct involvement or even awareness of Russian government.

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Post by falk »

ra wrote: post #116
pvnick wrote: post #59

It seems he accepted Putin's terms to not release anymore information. I wonder if that means no more information coming out, period, or that since most/all of the information is now with third parties that it's their responsibility. I doubt Putin likes being disrespected with loopholes and technicalities, but I more-so doubt that Snowden would halt the revelations altogether for the sake of his own safety. I suspect…

Now the headline has changed to: "Snowden asylum still under review, stays in airport for now - lawyer" ... so it seems RT popped their cork too early. Explains why the Guardian didn't cover this yet.

Yep. Got this from a live blog that Greenwald tweeted a little while ago.

"Federal migration service has not issued documents allowing Edward Snowden to leave the airport yet, there was a misinformation today in the media, said Kucherena."

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_07_24/Edward-Snowden-leaves-Sher...

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Post by pdknsk »

WildUtah wrote: post #133
pdknsk wrote: post #30

I wonder if his next target is Wladiwostok. It seems less complicated to get to Latin America from there, if he still wants to.

There are no direct flights. You have to connect through Tokyo or Shanghai or the USA.

Well, you can easily make it a direct flight. I have no idea how much hiring a pilot and a plane capable of crossing the pacific non-stop costs, but it's probably well within his (or his supporters) means.

By complicated I mainly meant the countries he does not have to fly over.

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Post by DominikR »

madaxe wrote: post #38
celticninja wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be fair sneaking out of russia is probably not that hard given the huge land borders of the country.

If you've ever been near a russian land border, you'd know sneaking ain't an option - they're still very much into their 30 foot razor wire fences, and mile wide minefields. AFAIK, the only borders which aren't demarked as such are those which ramble across incredibly inhospitable desert, which serves the same purpose as razor wire and mines.

I'd suggest you look up Russia and the length of its border on Google Maps and then think again about the feasibility of razor wire fences and mile wide minefields.

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Post by 1gor »

alexakarpov wrote: post #52
mikemoka wrote: post #45

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Granting asylum to Snowden will just influence relations between US and Russia,and is not done to be coherent with previous standings of the country on the topic of human rights,almost always different. We have to be careful not to associate concepts like "freedom of speech" and "example of democracy" with countries like Russia, given the actual situation the people there live under I am not sure we can say Russia ho…

Can't agree more (Russian here). In Russia it's all about putting up a show of anti-americanism, because that's what the voters like (the one thing that brings back memories of relative security of late Soviet days). Think Osama bin Laden granting asylum to Snowden in some remote Taliban camp.

  Think Osama bin Laden granting asylum to Snowden in some remote Taliban camp.
Strange, I am Russian and have been living in Russia for 5 years now (and before that for 20 years in the UK and Holland). And I cannot agree with your Taliban analogy even remotely. Actually, life in Russia today in some ways feels more free than in Europe. For example you don't need to be politically correct (self-censoring) when expressing your private or political views. And one can still (for now) smoke in pubs here ;)

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Post by vdaniuk »

rfctr wrote: post #101
gbog wrote: post #55

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He should buy a fake identity and go somewhere else, I'm sure fake passport is easy to get in Russia.

Yeah... about as easy as to meet a wild drunken bear with a balalaika on a Moscow street.

Nice strawman there, dude

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Post by JamesArgo »

7s wrote: post #126
andreypopp wrote: post #76

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> Putin is a man of his word :-)

I'm always amazed how the public opinion of putin ranges from "evil dictator" to "clever politician".

To become an evil dictator, it's often necessary to be a clever politician.

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Post by Everlag »

mcantelon wrote: post #134
pvnick wrote: post #59

It seems he accepted Putin's terms to not release anymore information. I wonder if that means no more information coming out, period, or that since most/all of the information is now with third parties that it's their responsibility. I doubt Putin likes being disrespected with loopholes and technicalities, but I more-so doubt that Snowden would halt the revelations altogether for the sake of his own safety. I suspect…

My guess is Putin requested this to placate the US rather than out of concern. Yesterday the US and Russia both announced they'd be arming opposing sides in Syria, so placating the US might not be as big a priority now. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-russia-simultaneously-annou...

Oh goddammit! I thought we were over Russia and the US doing that cold war bullshit.

Seriously, if you're going to fight a war fight an economic war, much less destructive to other people than the little proxy wars the big boys seems to love so much.

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Post by Mc_Big_G »

mjolk wrote: post #120
andreypopp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Putin is a man of his word :-)

Can you provide proof to otherwise? I'd imagine you've done proper research on the topic of Putin's honesty due to the flippant response.

He's a politician.
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