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Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

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Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

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post #42

I find it strange that Daniel Weinreb, Guy Steele and Richard Stallman are on this list. Steele co-wrote ?macs with David Moon and John Kulp. Dan Weinreb was a beta tester on ?macs before Stallman joined the project, and he would later become the first one to write an Emacs in a lisp (EINE). Stallman, of course, created GNU Emacs. Putting them on a list with Assange and Zuckerberg is ridiculous.

It's a list of people who are (1) famous AND (2) Emacs users AND who would still be famous if they were not Emacs users. Weinreb, Steele, and Stallman all fit this. Also, you make it sound like Stallman wasn't involved in Emacs from the start. In fact, Stallman and Steele wrote the FIRST Emacs. Everyone else you named came after.

The E in Emacs was contributed by Stallman, this was when he had already joined the project. Previously, the project had another name and other hackers were involved.

"Frustrated, Steele took it upon himself to the solve the problem. He gathered together the four different macro packages and began assembling a chart documenting the most useful macro commands. In the course of implementing the design specified by the chart, Steele says he attracted Stallman's attention.

"He started looking over my shoulder, asking me what I was doing," recalls Steele.

For Steele, a soft-spoken hacker who interacted with Stallman infrequently, the memory still sticks out. Looking over another hacker's shoulder while he worked was a common activity at the AI Lab. Stallman, the TECO maintainer at the lab, deemed Steele's work "interesting" and quickly set off to complete it.

"As I like to say, I did the first 0.001 percent of the implementation, and Stallman did the rest," says Steele with a laugh.

The project's new name, Emacs, came courtesy of Stallman.[1]

I think Coders at Work, by Peter Seibel, also talks a little about this in one of the interviews.

[1] Free as in Freedom

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#53
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RMS hasn't built anything in ages! (As far as I know.)

By "build" if you meant RMS stopped coding ages ago then you are wrong. He still contributes quite a lot to Emacs ( https://github.com/mirrors/emacs/commits/master ) I am pretty sure I can dig up other projects he is still coding in. but RMS hasn't stopped coding.

I meant new projects. I just wouldn't describe him as "too productive" now, not compared to the early days. Unlike that other lovable teddy bear, Linus. RMS has even written about his shift out of development IIRC, about how political work is more important to him now.

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#54
post #34

Decently surprising list, at least for me. I think the Torvalds-Stallman relationship got more complicated in my head.

I'm happy to use Emacs. I'm also perfectly comfortable to personally and professionally dislike RMS.

>I'm also perfectly comfortable to personally and professionally dislike RMS.

Why?

You do know of course, the innocent spirit of this dear man was traumatized at MIT's lab due to closed source proprietary commercializing --before, but around the time of-- Symbolics grabbing and zipping up Macsyma, or, ...something like that?

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#55
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or does anyone actually use vi? Folks working on machines without vim who don't have root. Source: an 18 month consulting gig several years ago.

They usually have one of the many clones of vi, installed as vi. Very few use actual vi, because for many years it was out-of-bounds because it used AT&T code from ed.

Interesting. What's the easiest way to check which vi binary I have?

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#56
post #2

Neal Stephenson is missing from this list: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NealStephenson

Speaking of sf/fantasy authors, Steve Brust writes using emacs. (And on mandrake linux, according to the acknowledgements of this unpublished work: http://dreamcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/My-Own-Kind-... )

Jack Chalker sited Framemaker and Borland Sprint as favorites because of their EMACS-like features: http://web.archive.org/web/19990819062835/http://jackchalker...

Sprint's a real member of the EMACS family tree but I don't know about Framemaker.

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#57
post #2

Neal Stephenson is missing from this list: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/NealStephenson

Also, Ken Jennings writes his weekly trivia challenge in Emacs:

http://www.ken-jennings.com/messageboards/viewtopic.php?p=12...

That's maybe not the ideal endorsement, though. Ken is a great guy, but having the trivia champion of the world saying he is an enthusiastic Emacs user... well, it doesn't improve Emacs' reputation as an editor for lovers of the esoteric.

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#59
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whitfield Diffie is also an Emacs user. I once sat behind him at an awards ceremony and was able to observe him hacking on Emacs lisp during the event. That was the highlight of my month.

What does hacking ON Emacs lisp mean? Does it mean working on Emacs's lisp interpreter's source? Or on some project written in Emacs lisp?

For me it means writing an .el extension.

Re: Famous Emacs Users (that are not famous for using Emacs)

#60
post #25
post #23

James Gosling still uses Emacs?

Ooops http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/207799/don_t_use_ema...

He proposes NetBeans over Emacs. I can understand this, if you want to write Java code (I prefer Eclipse [which of course has Emacs keybindings], but that is another issue).

But NetBeans for anything but Java? I don't think so.

"While NetBeans is open source, Gosling said almost nobody bothers to modify its code because of its complexity."

Isn't this terrible for an Open Source project? Emacs still has tons of commits by various developers. Is there at least a healthy community producing plugins for NetBeans?

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