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Leaked report shows high civilian death toll from CIA drone strikes

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Re: Leaked report shows high civilian death toll from CIA drone strikes

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I don't remember anyone denying that drone strikes result in civilian causalities. But guess what we did before we had drone strikes? We did cruise missile attacks, targeted bombings, arming of rebels, and often full scale proxy wars. Drone strikes kill a lot fewer civilians than the alternatives we used during the Cold War.

All of which is happening now, in addition to the activity mentioned in the article. Ever hear of Meles Zenawi rayiner? I know, the New York Times didn't like to talk about him, but that doesn't mean he didn't exist. If the US started shipping arms to the reincarnation of Suharto tomorrow, I image Mr. Rayiner would be here arguing: "Guns are so much more humane than missile strikes. A bullet can kill at most two, thr…

I don't really see your point. Mine is that it's silly to hold drone strikes up as some example of a shift for the worse in U.S. foreign policy, especially for someone talking about "growing up in the '70s."

The drone strikes are alleged, in the article, to have killed as many as 400 civilians over 9 years. In comparison, 500-600 civilians were killed in just the few of months of NATO bombings of Yugoslavia during the Kosovo war. And the 1990's was a picnic compared to the 1980's or 1970's.

The U.S. has never hesitated to use force abroad to protect American interests. This goes back to the early days of the Republic, when Thomas Jefferson authorized attacks on Tripoli to protect American shipping. People have a visceral reaction to drone strikes, but the fact is that they're a more delicate instrument than the other tools we would otherwise be using.

Re: Leaked report shows high civilian death toll from CIA drone strikes

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post #138

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You're endorsing a pro-cyclical elevation of pure violence to solve a problem of violence. If you're smart, you'll see where this leads, and it's not someplace a non-sadist would want to go.

Then please propose the nonviolent solution.

Address whatever legitimate grievances exist so that extremists are isolated and alone.

Re: Leaked report shows high civilian death toll from CIA drone strikes

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post #137

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"US government is responsible for US citizen" which has now decided it can assassinate with inpunity as well: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/20/federal-judge-challenges-...

If you took the time to think things through, the answer is already contained in my post. The US is not allowed to assassinate any US citizen it wants. If a criminal were hiding in Canada (or any other country with a reliable police force) we would just have that person arrested and extradited. Pakistan is not such a country. We therefore have a trial not to determine the criminal's guilt or innocence, but to determi…

http://freethoughtblogs.com/singham/2013/03/01/obama-will-no...

Re: Leaked report shows high civilian death toll from CIA drone strikes

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post #39

Its stuff like this that turns people into terrorist, also known as freedom fighters to others.

How many people would think twice about posting what you just did on the internet in light of the recent NSA revelations.

I didn't think twice, I almost came back and edited it to remove the last part. Then I realized I'm too old to be governed by fear of dumb people.
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