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SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As was demonstrated, Ponzi schemes are already illegal, regardless of denomination. No new laws or regulations required. 99% of the time in the USA, blatant fuckery is already illegal six ways from Sunday. The last thing we need are more laws.

Does Bitcoin make it easier to get away with a Ponzi scheme?

If you're some kind of anonymous money-laundering genius perhaps.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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post #8

I'm not arguing over what they're doing, the guy was asking for it, but it seems someone at a high level asked for more regulation and attention on the Bitcoin ecosystem.

People wanting to discredit bitcoin would have left this scheme running and would not do anything to prosecute the people involved.

That would make people worried about buying bitcoin because, simplistically, "Bitcoin = scams".

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Bitcoin make it easier to get away with a Ponzi scheme?

If you're some kind of anonymous money-laundering genius perhaps.

Smithers! Have that bozo start up the Tor reactor!

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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post #3

> The SEC alleges that Shavers promised investors up to 7 percent weekly interest based on BTCST’s Bitcoin market arbitrage activity, which supposedly included selling to individuals who wished to buy Bitcoin “off the radar” in quick fashion or large quantities Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody?…

Shavers was running such a mixer service: he was laundering the bitcoins through his own mining pool (called GPUMAX). The way it worked is that he was redistributing the dirty bitcoins acquired through his Ponzi scheme to pool participants as mining rewards, while keeping the newly mined bitcoins for himself. And to entice people to use his pool he was paying a few extra percent more than what most other pools were paying. Pure genius.

I have been following the whole development of his Ponzi scheme. Yes it was obvious to some in the community that it was a Ponzi. I remember writing a few lengthy posts on bitcointalk.org accusing him of a Ponzi. But surprisingly, many people adamantly chose to believe in Shavers and argued against me, ignoring my warnings, telling me why I was wrong. Their argument boiled down to "it has to be legit since he has been paying everybody so far". Sigh... Money prevents people from thinking straight.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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post #5
post #3

> The SEC alleges that Shavers promised investors up to 7 percent weekly interest based on BTCST’s Bitcoin market arbitrage activity, which supposedly included selling to individuals who wished to buy Bitcoin “off the radar” in quick fashion or large quantities Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody?…

> Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody? If you were following the Bitcoin forums at the height of the Ponzi, anyone who suggested it was a Ponzi was called a troll who was libelling pirateat40 by what felt like half the forum. Everyone insisted that unless they had actual proof it wasn't a genuine…

If you invest money with someone called "pirateat40" you get what you deserve.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

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post #3

> The SEC alleges that Shavers promised investors up to 7 percent weekly interest based on BTCST’s Bitcoin market arbitrage activity, which supposedly included selling to individuals who wished to buy Bitcoin “off the radar” in quick fashion or large quantities Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody?…

pirateat40's other service, GPUMAX, was effectively a mixing service. GPUMAX paid above market rates for hashing power, which gave the operator freshly minted coins in exchange for dirty coins distributed to miners.

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post #3

> The SEC alleges that Shavers promised investors up to 7 percent weekly interest based on BTCST’s Bitcoin market arbitrage activity, which supposedly included selling to individuals who wished to buy Bitcoin “off the radar” in quick fashion or large quantities Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody?…

> Since the bitcoin ledger itself is public record anybody could analyze the addresses associated with the fund and see the inflows and outflows[1]. Even if new addresses are generated for each transaction at some point the fund manager would need to roll them up and combine them. It would be possible to see the ponzi flows in the ledger itself.

Given this, is anyone algorithmically analyzing the ledger for anomalies like Ponzi schemes? That could be an interesting project.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

#28
post #8

I'm not arguing over what they're doing, the guy was asking for it, but it seems someone at a high level asked for more regulation and attention on the Bitcoin ecosystem.

what happened was his forum passthru cheerleaders that got scammed when his ponzi popped ran screaming to every authority they could and finally somebody at the SEC noticed. Note these same people all trollish extreme libertarians that denounced all regulation until it affected them and they immediately deferred to authority

Most of the PPT operators promoted and profited off of pirate's scam, and should face legal action alongside pirate.

PPT operators did not have an incentive to go after pirate, unless they had also invested significant personal holdings in BS&T, because:

1) They were investing other peoples' money and taking a fee off the top

2) They could face investigation themselves if they went to the authorities.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

#29
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anybody that is not skeptical about 7% weekly returns on anything is just asking for it. That's 33x your money in 1 year. How can that sound legit to anybody? If you were following the Bitcoin forums at the height of the Ponzi, anyone who suggested it was a Ponzi was called a troll who was libelling pirateat40 by what felt like half the forum. Everyone insisted that unless they had actual proof it wasn't a genuine…

If you invest money with someone called "pirateat40" you get what you deserve.

Well, he did learn from Buffett, just the wrong one.

Re: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme

#30
post #9

It's just like what happened in EVE Online[0], only with real-world consequences instead of "that sucks, but player beware". [0]: http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/news/eve-online-ponzi-scheme...

Makes me curious if he'll be forced to repay what he owes 'investors' in Bitcoin...
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