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Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by scholia »

fpgeek wrote: post #356
scholia wrote: post #348

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Old idea that has never taken off, and is probably less likely now that chips are really cheap. This graphic shows MCC’s Modular PC idea http://jkontherun.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/solutions_hq.j... IBM's MetaPad was a similar idea. Today, the Asus PadFone probably comes closest.

Yeah, the PadFone is quite attractive. If only they'd kept the Transformer-style keyboard dock from the original...

Tried it for a while but Android software is pretty awful on a 10in or larger screen. For the size/weight, you get much more power with Windows 7/8 (pus AirDroid and Dropbox etc).

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by mwcampbell »

shmerl wrote: post #36
wmf wrote: post #34

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So, ten people each putting in $100K? Because I think that's how many people care about this issue.

If people care about mobile Linux, they care about this issue (it's the worst issue in the industry). If people don't care, they wouldn't care about this device either. There are tons of Android clones already for them to use.

What would be so bad about rebuilding Ubuntu on top of Bionic, so there's only one libc, the one required by the GPU drivers, and the lighter one to boot? If Bionic is good enough for FIrefox and Chrome on Android, then surely it's good enough for anything on a mobile device.

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by xanderstrike »

achiang wrote: post #58
xanderstrike wrote: post #44

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This was my thinking. The whole time through that video I was wondering why they don't just buy a couple thousand Nexus 4s to load up with their custom build and re-sell. If they're planning to put Ubuntu on other manufacturers hardware, the official Google supported phone sounds like a pretty good place to start, and the speed at which those phones sell would be a great way to test the interest in their new platform…

Reselling someone else's developer phone from last year isn't exactly the marketing message we're going for. Edge is meant to be a premium product, not just another "me too". Unrelated: if you simply want to test drive Ubuntu for Phones, it's already been ported to 40+ platforms.

All that I can find at the moment is a "developer preview" which I tried on my Nexus 7 not long ago and found it to be definitely not ready for prime time. Presumably, you would be releasing a consumer ready version of the OS with these Nexus 4s (or whatever phone from a proven manufacturer). I'm reluctant to flash a "developer preview" on my every day phone.

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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cs702 wrote: post #43

The $32 million fundraising goal might seem overly ambitious, but it's actually more realistic than it appears at first glance, because at $600+ per unit the campaign needs only around 50,000 buyers worldwide to be successful -- or a bit over 2% of Ubuntu's enthusiastic user base, which was estimated to be greater than 20 million in 2011.[1] PS. I just ordered one, as I LOVE the idea of an unlocked phone designed and…

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Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by shmerl »

mwcampbell wrote: post #362
shmerl wrote: post #36

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If people care about mobile Linux, they care about this issue (it's the worst issue in the industry). If people don't care, they wouldn't care about this device either. There are tons of Android clones already for them to use.

What would be so bad about rebuilding Ubuntu on top of Bionic, so there's only one libc, the one required by the GPU drivers, and the lighter one to boot? If Bionic is good enough for FIrefox and Chrome on Android, then surely it's good enough for anything on a mobile device.

Lot's of stuff - talk to Collabora developers who attempted to rebuild some common Linux middleware atop of bionic. It's very difficult, painful and upstream bionic has no interest to cooperate to help this process. So I conclude that it's a pointless time wasting. Mobile Linuxes should continue to use glibc and working on getting the drivers. Libhybris is a good tool that helps deployment until normal drivers will become more common. TL;DR - bionic is not good enough to replace glibc.

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by eutropia »

Canonical, put Intel in this thing. 22nm Silvermont or 14nm silvermont will make this thing a beauty to behold. Reach out to your contacts within intel, because that will offer the performance you are looking for!

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by sho_hn »

zanny wrote: post #303
lukifer wrote: post #268

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> The only downside is if your app is the first qt app installed on an ios / android device, it forces a download of the shared libraries which are quite large. How does this get around sandboxing on iOS? My fuzzy understanding is that components would need to be downloaded for each app independently. And is there a reason those shared libraries can't be bundled?

No idea, never tried it. A cursory browsing of qt documentation suggests it can't, and it also can't use qtquick2, which is where qml becomes really useful (which is also when it starts using v8).

That's incorrect. QML has used v8 since its initial appearance in Qt4. In fact, it will move away from v8 in Qt 5.2 is the current plan.

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by ldng »

socceroos wrote: post #254
ensmotko wrote: post #176

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"they may still be $7millionGBP from being insolvent" source: http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2013/05/is-canonical-ltd-finan...

LinuxAdvocates... I wouldn't advise using that guy as a source of reliable information. For far more balanced views that aren't pro-Ubuntu (necessarily) it would be more advisable to visit a site like The Var Guy.

Neither would I recommend taking my comment too seriously. I was half-joking ;-)

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by achiang »

gnur wrote: post #328
achiang wrote: post #69

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My team dogfoods Ubuntu for Android every single day on the Nexus 4, and I'll say that it's performant enough to be a daily driver as a desktop replacement. Edge has 4GB of RAM planned, and will run even better than the N4.

Is this available somewhere public?

Sorry, it is not public yet.

Re: Ubuntu Edge

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Post by zanny »

sho_hn wrote: post #367
zanny wrote: post #303

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No idea, never tried it. A cursory browsing of qt documentation suggests it can't, and it also can't use qtquick2, which is where qml becomes really useful (which is also when it starts using v8).

That's incorrect. QML has used v8 since its initial appearance in Qt4. In fact, it will move away from v8 in Qt 5.2 is the current plan.

http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/03/05/qt-for-ios-preview/

According to the qt blog, only qtquick2 depends on v8.

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