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Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

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Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

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Has anyone installed Piwik for multiple accounts? My product allows users to create and launch their own website. I'd quite like to be able to quickly provide basic statistics for users (alongside Google analytics if they want it). We run a multi-tenant application so have thousands of sites running from the same codebase, however, each site owner would need it's own statistics. At the moment, we just let users provi…

I've done this on the product I'm developing. You can set it up programmatically and it works exceptionally well. That being said, there are some performance considerations, especially if the sites you're hosting are high traffic.

I'd recommend reading the documentation and doing a bit of searching for a configuration that will fit your needs before you begin. It will save you a lot of time.

Good luck and let me know if you have any specific questions!

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#32
I've used Piwik for years and it is incredibly simple to use and set up but this post makes it much more complex than it needs to be. In all honesty, it's just as simple as setting up Wordpress. Drop the Piwik folder on a server somewhere, run the installation (connecting to your database and if I recall correctly you don't need to use the root user, just a user with sufficient privileges), and you're done.

I want to love Piwik, and I do like it a lot, but I do have some problems. Piwik gets slow after a while. This may have to do with the server its running on partly but over time the software will slow down especially if you try to pull out somewhat longer date ranges.

It isn't as pretty as GA. I know this is petty and that its themeable but the UI was important to me. Keeping it up to date and maintaining it was also something that requires vigilance. It isn't hard to update but you have to make sure to check for updates. Sounds simple but you'd be surprised how lazy one can be. Also, integration with Webmaster Tools isn't available which is kind of a bummer.

On the plus side there's very little that GA offers that Piwik doesn't. There's even a great mobile app which GA doesn't yet have to my knowledge. You can monitor multiple sites on different servers using a simple JavaScript snippet just like GA, and it breaks down the data in just about every way you'd want.

In the end, despite really wanting to use Piwik long term I wasn't able to do it. I don't see a problem with using Google Analytics for tracking purposes. Google has the power to abuse the data they collect but I trust them not to. I'm not running a site where visitor privacy is a big priority. If I were running such a site I'd reconsider this position. But from an ethical standpoint if it's somehow not okay for Google to collect tracking data on your visitors (and promise not exploit it) why is it okay for any of us to use Piwik and collect that data ourselves. Google has far more data that can do far more damage but they also have far more resources to put into security than most of us. I can take a pledge not to exploit my user's data but Google does too? I know I can trust myself but my users don't. My users might even prefer that if I were to use analytics software that I use software that comes from Google, a name they know and trust, rather than me, a guy who they know a little bit but doesn't have a reputation that can even remotely compete with Google. To me, that's the more interesting aspect of Piwik. The question of why running your own anaytics software is more ethical than using Google.

Edit: When I said I wasn't running a site that made visitor privacy a priority I was excluding the site I run that actually does make user privacy a huge priority. I'm aware I look like a hypcrite now and I think I might actually spend some time thinking of whether or not to switch over to a self-hosted analytics solution for that site. I'm still not sure that a self-hosted service is preferable in my case but I'm open to the idea.

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#33

Author here. Seems like Hackernews traffic "DDOS'ed" the original blog. I made a clone of the post in my personal blog (hosted on wordpress). http://dicasdolampada.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/goodbye-googl...

My thanks to the hackernews folks who changed the original link (Y)

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#34
I would not recommend Piwik over GA. The #1 reason is that Piwik does not track the (not provided) Google keyword searches. Google now provides the (not provided) keywords with the site page attached now. For example: (np - /pricing), so you at least have an understanding of what they searched for. This is a big factor if you're serious about SEO.

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#35
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Site has slowed down considerably now. Anyone fancy telling the lot at gov.uk about this? It would be nice if they weren't using foreign owned (and likely foreign-located) servers to record and analyse what UK citizens do on UK government websites.

GDS know and have taken a position on this http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/03/19/its-not-about...

It seems to be entirely cookie-focussed though, and not even consider that data on UK citizen interaction with government, regardless of cookies, may be something to keep private.

I mean this - "despite the fact that no personal data was collected, it was good practice not to share analytics information with third parties in order to reassure government websites’ users." is ludicrous.

It's trivial for a service with as many hooks into everything as google to correlate cookies and IP addresses of visitors to GA-using sites with their Google accounts and other tracking data. It's almost as ludicrous as the answer I got direct from them "we don't allow google to use the data".

You don't allow it? How exactly is it that you stop them keeping records when every time I visit your pages my computer also tells them what I'm doing?

What a load of carp.

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#36

One thing I feel you miss out if you don't use GA is 'Google-juice'. Maybe it's just like blowing into a Super Nintendo cartridge, but I think using GA increases your SEO with Google. Am I mistaken?

As mdasen mentioned, Google Analytics probably doesn't have much of an effect on SEO due to regulatory concerns.

However, it probably does handicap you if you use other Google services, such as Adwords. Google Adwords heavily leverages Analytics data to optimize your marketing campaigns, and doesn't offer the ability to interface Adwords with a third-party like Piwik. So not using Analytics will cause Adwords to fly blind to user behavior on your site, and won't be able to tell which leads were useful and which weren't.

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#37

I've used Piwik for years and it is incredibly simple to use and set up but this post makes it much more complex than it needs to be. In all honesty, it's just as simple as setting up Wordpress. Drop the Piwik folder on a server somewhere, run the installation (connecting to your database and if I recall correctly you don't need to use the root user, just a user with sufficient privileges), and you're done. I want to…

I think the important distinction is that trust will be either first-party or third-party, and most of your users will never think about it.

If I'm using your site or service I've already decided to trust you somewhat. Self-hosted analytics is just an additional baby step.

If you put a third-party resource on your site (and most of us do) then that third-party is going to have their own entirely separate terms & conditions, which you as webmaster have little or no control over.

It's down to whether you (and/or your users) are okay with farming out visitor privacy to a third-party. Once that question is satisfied it's just a question of performance.

Re: Goodbye Google Analytics. Hello Piwik

#38

Has anyone installed Piwik for multiple accounts? My product allows users to create and launch their own website. I'd quite like to be able to quickly provide basic statistics for users (alongside Google analytics if they want it). We run a multi-tenant application so have thousands of sites running from the same codebase, however, each site owner would need it's own statistics. At the moment, we just let users provi…

This is possible, i do exactly this with a multi-site WordPress install.

The plugin i use for that is: http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-piwik/

Maybe you can get an idea how to do it with your codebase from that...

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