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Riding the New Silk Road

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Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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The Americas started rising in the 1600s. That would preclude them as a factor in the Silk Road's decline.

But they were discovered in the late 1400s, resulting in a change of interest. Nations invested in New World colonies with similar goals as their trade with China. It would follow that trade with China decreased as resources were directed elsewhere.

Actually trade with China increased due to the ease of direct trade.

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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The decline of Venice has less to do with the decline of the Middle East and more to do with the rise of the Ottomans -- whose conquest of Constantinople shuttered a 2-century long dominion of the Bospherous (and the substantial trade thereof) by Venice. Additionally, Mongol incursions at the north end of the Black Sea made the increasingly-expensive trade with the Ottomans very expensive. On top of all that, the agi…

I just finished reading City of Fortune ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400068207/ref=pe_180000_31... ), and this is closer to the truth - the rise of the Ottomans, the fact that Christian Europe couldn't get its act together after the debacle that was the 4th Crusade, etc etc - at one point, Venice was almost single-handedly fighting the Ottomans.

If you enjoyed that I would also highly, highly recommend "Empires of the Sea", also by Crowley. http://www.amazon.com/Empires-Sea-Battle-Lepanto-Contest/dp/...

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Wow, the presentation of the photos really made an impression on me -- it's just like Harry Potter. It's amazing that even after almost 10 years of YouTube, having video presented to you in a slightly different way can give you a feeling that you're experiencing the future.

Bit off-topic, but related: I recently completed a trip to Budapest; both me and my friend were having cameras, and while she, as usual, made hundreds of photos I decided to try something different - I shoot 2 - 5 second videos instead. It's interesting how it can capture the atmosphere of the place qualitatively better than a plain photo would. One thing you quickly realize is that filming tourist attractions isn't…

A friend showed me the HTC One recently. Apparently the camera shoots those mini-videos by default, and you can then pick a still from there.

You can also stitch multiple shots into a single one: http://blog.htc.com/2013/05/your-sequence-shots-with-htc-zoe...

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It seems to me like we're finally witnessing the birth of a 21st century news paper. The New York times has always been well regarded for it's journalism. Now we're starting to see what can be accomplished when a credible journalism outfit is complemented by equally credible digital designers.

*its journalism

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just finished reading City of Fortune ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400068207/ref=pe_180000_31... ), and this is closer to the truth - the rise of the Ottomans, the fact that Christian Europe couldn't get its act together after the debacle that was the 4th Crusade, etc etc - at one point, Venice was almost single-handedly fighting the Ottomans.

If you enjoyed that I would also highly, highly recommend "Empires of the Sea", also by Crowley. http://www.amazon.com/Empires-Sea-Battle-Lepanto-Contest/dp/...

Thanks Defen - will check it out. I liked Crowley, with a few criticisms: - the back-and-forth, lack of a completely chronological narrative threw me a couple of times. - Also, because he was hyper focused on Venice, it was sometimes amazing what he left out (ie, much of what happened under the Latin Empire) - Lastly, I wish he had covered the final decline and death of the Venetian republic - he stopped for all practical purposes 200 years early.

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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post #16

It seems to me like we're finally witnessing the birth of a 21st century news paper. The New York times has always been well regarded for it's journalism. Now we're starting to see what can be accomplished when a credible journalism outfit is complemented by equally credible digital designers.

>21st century news paper

The website suggests otherwise. It was difficult to read it on my phone (iPhone 5). I couldn't pinch - I had to scroll and the images, when tapped, would appear to take over the screen. Honestly, I was expecting them to say "Download our app!" to top it off.

Edit: I just had a look on my desktop. Very impressive and the image-focusing thing makes sense now.

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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7000 miles in 18 days is 16 miles per hour on average. The article mentions that the trains move at 50mph, but doesn't say if that's the max speed. But regardless, even if we assume 40mph average, that's a lot of time sitting around not moving at all. I wonder where that time is spent, and how much more of it can be removed from the process. It's presumably largely customs checks, which seems like a straightforward problem to optimize.

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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Wow, the presentation of the photos really made an impression on me -- it's just like Harry Potter. It's amazing that even after almost 10 years of YouTube, having video presented to you in a slightly different way can give you a feeling that you're experiencing the future.

Bit off-topic, but related: I recently completed a trip to Budapest; both me and my friend were having cameras, and while she, as usual, made hundreds of photos I decided to try something different - I shoot 2 - 5 second videos instead. It's interesting how it can capture the atmosphere of the place qualitatively better than a plain photo would. One thing you quickly realize is that filming tourist attractions isn't…

I think shorter videos are going to become a lot more popular soon. Gif 'videos' have gotten more popular recently (especially on tumblr) and things like vine's 6 second video clips are on the rise. Mobile speeds have caught up where its now possible to download/view videos and also upload a short 6 second video

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post #121
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they were discovered in the late 1400s, resulting in a change of interest. Nations invested in New World colonies with similar goals as their trade with China. It would follow that trade with China decreased as resources were directed elsewhere.

Actually trade with China increased due to the ease of direct trade.

The real trade with china didn't begin until silver mining took off in the 1550s. Before that, spices and the trade with the 'indies'(India) were the primary trading interests. Most maps didn't even get the eastern half of the Indian ocean correct until the mid-1600s and from the east the pacific ocean was a mystery for longer.

Silver was the item that the chinese intensively desired for monetary reasons as multiple experiments with paper money failed due to runaway inflation and they lacked precious metals of their own. Almost 40% of the silver mined in the late 16th century ended up in china.

Re: Riding the New Silk Road

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Time to trot out trivia. As the article points out, the Silk Road faded in importance in the 1400s. But it doesn't say why. There were three major reasons why it faded. The first was the final fall of Constantinople in 1453, ending the last remnant of the original Roman Empire. This made trade with Europe harder. The second was the development, initially by the Portuguese but followed by others, of direct sea routes…

The Americas started rising in the 1600s. That would preclude them as a factor in the Silk Road's decline.

The Spanish treasure fleets which striped South & Central America of much of its gold first started sailing in the early 1500s. Even in the 1490's (soon after Columbus) Spain was getting significant amounts of Gold & Silver from America.

That influx of wealth totally changed the balance of power in Eurasia.

People these days don't realise how poor Europe was prior to the 1500s. For example, it's commonly thought that one of the main reasons the Mongols didn't push further into Europe was simply because there was nothing there that was worth raiding.

Even the "rich" cities in Europe (Venice, Vienna, Paris) compared very unfavourably to comparatively minor trading centers in central Asia. For example, Paris was probably the largest European city in 1250 (population probably A truly rich city like Baghdad (prior to the Mongol sack in 1258) was in an entirely different league.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv

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