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Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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You need the official repositories to install new software?

No, you can download a .deb file from somewhere else and install it manually, or even just a .tar.gz with the binaries, or (if the software is open source) even get the source! Alternatively, as I posted above, there are a load of mirrors (over 400 iirc) of the ubuntu software repository.

That's what I was getting at...

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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My money is personally on massive, unrecoverable data loss. If you've ever poked around with the way that Apple's website works, you can see that the entire place is a huge mess. There's old servers running ancient (pre-2004) perl scripts alongside the brand new iCloud gear. I can't imagine how the authentication for AppleID is working as login details still work on the ancient pages (think pinstripes and glassy butt…

I work at an Apple Premium Reseller, and when we order stuff from Apple we use http://reseller.apple.com (which now seems to redirect to https://ecommerce.apple.com/ ) and all those systems feels hacked together just as you're saying. The Reseller Store has been down the whole time the Developer Center has been down. Even more interesting perhaps, our company's "master apple id", which is used to place multi 100K USD…

"Won't fix, as designed." B2B web apps have been hacky since time immemorial. Where I work, a different engineering team wrote a CMS in a bunch of Java with somehow Perl CGI to handle all of the little hacks that couldn't be put in to the main code base. I found this out by fixing a hack named emailservice_bkp_new2.cgi which was a hard coded rss parser. Our other client relations applications are even worse, often in IIS 6.0, and dating from 2003. Simply put, there isn't much "business reason" behind fixing something that isn't broken, but very shoddy.

The difference now is that "prosumer" application developers have enough economic weight to register as a force, but not enough to cause Apple to reconsider their entrenched developer relations.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Why is a mere unfounded speculation not backed up by any facts written to garner pageviews featured on the frontpage?

Because there are no facts, Apple hasn't said a word. The alternative is that we ignore this. At least with this article (which no one has to read), there's a place for HN Apple devs to talk amongst each other.

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What rubbish. Any specifics, or are you just trolling? The company I work for develops high-end desktop software for Linux, Mac and Windows, and Linux generally causes us the least trouble and OS X (thanks mostly to atrocious graphics drivers and OpenGL support in addition to really bad memory allocation/paging issues that have only just been fixed in Mountain Lion) the most trouble. And this is on limited numbers of…

I take it your software is cross-platform. What language (C++, Mono?) and GUI library (GTK 2/3, QT?) are you using? Thanks.

C++ and Qt.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Not all customers are design snobs. Some buy things because it does the task well.

A better user interface _is_ "doing the task well". Functionality and design are not exclusive from each other.

There's a massive amount of software that exists outside of note-taking apps where the customer will be more than happy to put up with different-looking buttons because the value the software provides is so high.

There are many software categories where visual-design decisions are not the only competition advantage.

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No, you can download a .deb file from somewhere else and install it manually, or even just a .tar.gz with the binaries, or (if the software is open source) even get the source! Alternatively, as I posted above, there are a load of mirrors (over 400 iirc) of the ubuntu software repository.

That's what I was getting at...

Ah, my mistake, hard to judge tone on the internet, etc, etc...

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> All with the same binary installers. So you integrate with the user's desktop environment, using standard local widgets, theming, integration with UX guidelines, local library dependencies, etc? Or are you shipping a Qt app with your own dependencies included? If so, Qt is pretty notoriously buggy on OS X (and rightfully disliked by most users as it stands outside all platform conventions), perhaps explaining some…

Local widgets & theming yes, although generally we ship with our own themes by default as we make VFX apps, and the last thing artists want is bright UI to distract them. I don't believe there are general UX guidelines for Linuxes, but for things like notification popups, system tray stuff, yeah, we do all that natively to the distro through Qt (DBus handles all that transparently within Qt very nicely). We ship Qt a…

Do you work for the Foundry? I find that Nuke for OSX is by far the crashiest. Was wondering why.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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My money is personally on massive, unrecoverable data loss. If you've ever poked around with the way that Apple's website works, you can see that the entire place is a huge mess. There's old servers running ancient (pre-2004) perl scripts alongside the brand new iCloud gear. I can't imagine how the authentication for AppleID is working as login details still work on the ancient pages (think pinstripes and glassy butt…

> My money is personally on massive, unrecoverable data loss.

Do we read this, you have an AAPL short order in tomorrow's market open?

I find no financial news on this.

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I'm not sure I completely follow you. I would calculate on the basis of developers building software that runs on top of Linux, so that would include a large proportion of all web applications as well as various embedded applications. You could probably include android in there also. Now it's true that this isn't quite apples to apples since Linux is more fungible than iOS in most regards, mostly thanks to it's open…

The biggest point is probably that the existence of an Open Source/Free operating system has probably enabled more profitable businesses to exist than iOS. Maybe. On the one hand, I know exactly how great it is to have development tools that are a free download away (I remember shelling out hundreds on a C++ compiler in the mid-90s). Open source definitely rocks in this respect. On the other hand, I know that without…

It's quite difficult to retroactively unpick cause and effect though it could certainly be argued that the existence of Linux (and free UNIX in general) contributed greatly to the rise of the web.

I would still wager that more paid developer hours go towards stuff that ends up being executed on top of Linux than iOS though.

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What's even worse is that we, the developers, their customers, will never get to know what happened. Because that's the Apple way. I'd really love that Apple proves me wrong on this one and comes clean on the problem, the cause and prevention measures being put in place so this won't happen again, whatever it is.

Nope they won't say a thing and they will get away with it. Oh the things apple devs have to pout upon with.

In another world HN would be up in arms about how to manage downtime, how this is u acceptable and how they are going to switch to somebody else immediately. But not for apple because they have no choice...

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